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Old 07-14-2014, 09:28 AM
 
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Then that can also be said for those with H1B visas that overstay their usefulness.

The mind is big enough, to learn and know it all. What are we teaching? Lack of diversification in skills can be a job killer, for an individual.
This whole conversation is well past absurd. There is no way to get knowingly removed from "knowingly hires". There simply is no support for it in the business community or the congress. It ain't going to happen.

The best victory one could hope for would be to get a good version of everify created and widely used.

Bottom line though none of this does any real good. The illegals are simply forced to the cash economy which will continue right along. The small subcontractor will provide all the jobs they need. And you can shut them down and fine big and all that and it does no good. Just make a new one the next morning.

 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The current law is not broken. The issue is the president and the Democrats refuses to enforce the law, which has nothing to do with the Congress.
Previous Republican administrations didn't care to enforce the law, either.

Doesn't make the current situation "OK", but to paint this as an issue unique to Dem administrations is simply not accurate.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 10:14 AM
 
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So, if IBM is found guilty of employing an illegal, then the government should seize IBM and all its assets AND personal assets? Surely you cant be serious.
That would send quite a message, wouldn't it? And yes, that sounds like a great idea. Because with that sort of threat, you can BET that IBM would make darned sure they checked, double checked, and triple checked every potential employee.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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So, if IBM is found guilty of employing an illegal, then the government should seize IBM and all its assets AND personal assets? Surely you cant be serious.
I'd say that the first time a large fine should suffice. After that, yeah, asset seizures. It would end quickly.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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I agreed with your suggestion, but first you have to fine them a couple of times, and I doubt their assets could be seized but you could sure as heck put the CEO/Owners in jail, with that threat they might actually screen their employees like they are supposed to do. Sadly it will Never happen, neither Party has ever shown that they are willing to impose that leg of the law, because both are bought and paid for by big business, that includes the Tea Party bunch so that is that, stuck with it.
They can seize their assets. It was done here. Local business man was hiring illegals to work in his restaurant. It's no longer his restaurant....or house.....or cars.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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Previous Republican administrations didn't care to enforce the law, either.

Doesn't make the current situation "OK", but to paint this as an issue unique to Dem administrations is simply not accurate.
This is true.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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There is a lot of talk about nothing being done about illegal immigration, but it seems like there is a serious effort to fix the issues, but Congress refuses to act. What is their excuse to rant and rave on TV every day blaming everyone else for not doing anything when the ball is on their court.

According to the polls 80% of Americans wants Congress to act, so what it their excuse?

Here are some of the bills, some introduced by GOP, and some by Dems, and many have bipartisan support.



H.R. 15, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act

A modified version of S. 744, a major immigration bill passed by the Senate on June 27, 2013, H.R. 15 is a comprehensive bill addressing border security, a path to citizenship for the undocumented, interior enforcement, visa backlogs, higher and lower skilled work visas, visa backlog reduction, family visas, and the immigration courts, among other issues. See Guide to H.R. 15.

H.R. 3163, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform for Americaís Security and Prosperity Act of 2013 (CIR ASAP)

A comprehensive bill addressing border security, enforcement, employment verification, visa backlog reduction, STEM visa increases, and citizenship for the undocumented, among other issues, with more generous benefits and fewer punitive proposals.


H.R. 435, the Military Enlistment Opportunity Act of 2013

Would allow certain undocumented immigrants to obtain legal status through military service, including beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program


H.R. 2377, the Encourage New Legalized Immigrants to Start Training Act (ENLIST Act)

Would allow certain undocumented immigrants who entered the U.S. as children to obtain legal status through military service.


H.R. 4303, the Border Enforcement Accountability, Oversight, and Community Engagement Act of 2014

Establishes a border oversight commission and border ombudsman charged with overseeing border enforcement and protecting human rights

H.R. 3431, the American Families United Act

Amends the current immigration system to allow legalization of some of the undocumented and address the separation of immigrants from U.S. family members. No new paths to legal status are created.

My $00.02...because none of the above are of any value. You put up 7 different bills which jump all over the place while trying to blanket everything.

Why nothing is being done?? The USA has no immigration policy and any brought forth is shunned or fawned over for the wrong reasons. Is this about the USA or the feel good emotions for either left or right?
We know what the endless stream of illegals being absorbed into our social system does. correct?
Check your partisanship at the door.
It doesn't require a degree in D or R to know the answer unless you have a problem with logic.
These bills fit the wishes of whoever wrote/sponsored them. Are they good bills? For the most part, no, or they would be acted upon.
If bills are introduced and no one gets on board why not dump that bill?

Congress needs to rewrite immigration from the ground up. Lobbyists have no input and needs to be totally non partisan; no neo-cons or neo-libs.



 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:20 PM
 
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Previous Republican administrations didn't care to enforce the law, either.

Doesn't make the current situation "OK", but to paint this as an issue unique to Dem administrations is simply not accurate.
I knew it must be Bush's fault!!!!
 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Gone
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They can seize their assets. It was done here. Local business man was hiring illegals to work in his restaurant. It's no longer his restaurant....or house.....or cars.
Was that the result in his not paying fines? My guess is they were. I seize someones business without first fining them or even jailing them seems like it could all turn into a legal nightmare.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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I knew it must be Bush's fault!!!!
Fault? Not really but people can't seem to comprehend that when one administration is not held accountable the next is simply going to build upon that.
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