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Old 07-10-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by MJJersey View Post
We don't need more laws, we just need the executive brach to enforce the laws we have. It's really that simple.
They are enforcing them, but to finish the fence would cost billions of dollars, which the president is not authorized to use on his own. This is why they create bills. The Congress authorizes the spending. Do you understand this?

Last year US spent 12 Billion guarding the border, so to pretend we are doing nothing to enforce laws is dishonest to say the least. It's an insult to those people who risk their lives enforcing the laws. That 12 billion was in the budget, but are you saying the WH should have unlimited funds to spend on this thing?

The estimate for sealing the border is 28 billion per year.

Does the Congress want to give Obama a blank check to fix the problem? If that's the case, then why don't they just say so. Or they could just pass the bill and they would get the fence.

 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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All our immigration "reform" bills are nothing more than amnesty and expansion of foreign workers.
Border security never happens. Hasn't in 50 years.
We have more illegals now in the US than ever before.

You're fooling yourself if you believe we can control the southern border.
We don't need to enforce the Southern border, just the actions of the employers up north.

We require more paperwork for a lemonade stand than to hire employees. Our government simply chooses not to make it a priority.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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ICE Cracks Down On The Hiring Of Undocumented Workers Through 'Silent Raid' | Fox News Latino

"Enforcement of the country's immigration laws changed significantly when President Obama took over from former President George W. Bush. Worksite raids producing massive arrests of undocumented workers are rarely seen anymore."

It's from that liberal leaning fox news site so of course that's a plant right. More raids mean more resources are needed to carry them out and prosecute what they find.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
They are enforcing them, but to finish the fence would cost billions of dollars, which the president is not authorized to use on his own. This is why they create bills. The Congress authorizes the spending. Do you understand this?

Last year US spent 12 Billion guarding the border, so to pretend we are doing nothing to enforce laws is dishonest to say the least. It's an insult to those people who risk their lives enforcing the laws. That 12 billion was in the budget, but are you saying the WH should have unlimited funds to spend on this thing?

The estimate for sealing the border is 28 billion per year.

Does the Congress want to give Obama a blank check to fix the problem? If that's the case, then why don't they just say so.
That's why those agents sued the Obama Administration for failing to enforce the law. Obama essentially stopped enforcing immigration laws. That's a major part of the problem here
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:22 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Maybe congress could do one thing. Who would enact Marshall Law and call the deportation of all illegals. That should be done. Maybe an emergency evacuation of all who are not citizens. I am talking about a police state where they go door to door riding our country of all that do not possess documentation. All work papers cancelled. We want our country back to law and order.

To any of you who are going to start crying we could not function without these people who are here illegally my answer is that I would be willing to bare whatever hardship it would cause. I think it would solve more problems than it would cause us. Maybe it is time the illegals are having the problem. Our citizens have had enough.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That's why those agents sued the Obama Administration for failing to enforce the law. Obama essentially stopped enforcing immigration laws. That's a major part of the problem here
That argument is getting a little old, give the fact that it was proven wrong.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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ICE Cracks Down On The Hiring Of Undocumented Workers Through 'Silent Raid' | Fox News Latino

"Enforcement of the country's immigration laws changed significantly when President Obama took over from former President George W. Bush. Worksite raids producing massive arrests of undocumented workers are rarely seen anymore."

It's from that liberal leaning fox news site so of course that's a plant right. More raids mean more resources are needed to carry them out and prosecute what they find.
You folks are so removed from reality that it isn't funny.

Sure these "silent raids" are going on.
The employers pay the fine and they all go back to BAU.

The USG is like the mafia. They show up every so often to collect their protection money.

Go read up on Sanderson Farms if you don't believe me.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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There is a lot of talk about nothing being done about illegal immigration, but it seems like there is a serious effort to fix the issues, but Congress refuses to act. What is their excuse to rant and rave on TV every day blaming everyone else for not doing anything when the ball is on their court.

According to the polls 80% of Americans wants Congress to act, so what it their excuse?

Here are some of the bills, some introduced by GOP, and some by Dems, and many have bipartisan support.



H.R. 15, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act

A modified version of S. 744, a major immigration bill passed by the Senate on June 27, 2013, H.R. 15 is a comprehensive bill addressing border security, a path to citizenship for the undocumented, interior enforcement, visa backlogs, higher and lower skilled work visas, visa backlog reduction, family visas, and the immigration courts, among other issues. See Guide to H.R. 15.

H.R. 3163, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform for Americaís Security and Prosperity Act of 2013 (CIR ASAP)

A comprehensive bill addressing border security, enforcement, employment verification, visa backlog reduction, STEM visa increases, and citizenship for the undocumented, among other issues, with more generous benefits and fewer punitive proposals.


H.R. 435, the Military Enlistment Opportunity Act of 2013

Would allow certain undocumented immigrants to obtain legal status through military service, including beneficiaries of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program


H.R. 2377, the Encourage New Legalized Immigrants to Start Training Act (ENLIST Act)

Would allow certain undocumented immigrants who entered the U.S. as children to obtain legal status through military service.


H.R. 4303, the Border Enforcement Accountability, Oversight, and Community Engagement Act of 2014

Establishes a border oversight commission and border ombudsman charged with overseeing border enforcement and protecting human rights

H.R. 3431, the American Families United Act

Amends the current immigration system to allow legalization of some of the undocumented and address the separation of immigrants from U.S. family members. No new paths to legal status are created.


Security and Prosperity Act? Sounds like insecurity and destitution for the working class; who supports that except liberals?
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:35 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Indirectly you do. The lawn company you contract with, the pool company, that shed you want built, the home you contract to get built, etc.

You may deal with Americans in that office but the crew that shows up is another story.
That's why the company who put a roof on our home will never be allowed back on our property. I happened to be sick and ended up a prisoner in my own house when they sent people to work who could not speak English and were doing it wrong. I had to call the company and let a man inside my home that I did not care to be here so the secretary could tell them what to do. Some of it is still not right. I have all these guarantees, but I don't want them back on my property.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 11:36 AM
 
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You employed illegals to do your roof? Tsk tsk. The lowest bid is not always the best one.
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