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Old 07-20-2014, 10:20 PM
 
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Let me answer this with a question, do you consider hiding behind women and children courageous? Do you consider using your innocent population as human shields just for propaganda purposes courageous?
It seems a bit disingenuous/hypocritical to me to moan and cry about someone killing your family/friends when you yourself are causing those deaths by shooting from behind them.

There is nowhere for the residents of Gaza to go. They are targets for the Israelis simply because they exist, not because Hamas military is hiding behind them. The entire Gaza strip is about 25 miles long and from 3 to 5 miles wide, with 1.8 million population. There's nowhere for them to go. All borders are blocked and they are being bombarded by air, sea, and land.


So, if the U.S. is fighting a war in the Middle East, all Americans are fair game for the opponent? That's the logic you are using.

Israel should be fighting the military, not destroying the civilians of Gaza.

 
Old 07-21-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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There is nowhere for the residents of Gaza to go. They are targets for the Israelis simply because they exist, not because Hamas military is hiding behind them. The entire Gaza strip is about 25 miles long and from 3 to 5 miles wide, with 1.8 million population. There's nowhere for them to go. All borders are blocked and they are being bombarded by air, sea, and land.


So, if the U.S. is fighting a war in the Middle East, all Americans are fair game for the opponent? That's the logic you are using.

Israel should be fighting the military, not destroying the civilians of Gaza.
Israel is fighting Hamas militants who are hiding among Gaza civilians!
 
Old 07-21-2014, 08:19 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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There is nowhere for the residents of Gaza to go. They are targets for the Israelis simply because they exist, not because Hamas military is hiding behind them. The entire Gaza strip is about 25 miles long and from 3 to 5 miles wide, with 1.8 million population. There's nowhere for them to go. All borders are blocked and they are being bombarded by air, sea, and land.


So, if the U.S. is fighting a war in the Middle East, all Americans are fair game for the opponent? That's the logic you are using.

Israel should be fighting the military, not destroying the civilians of Gaza.
And exactly where are the Israelis supposed to go? They are surrounded by people that want to see them driven into the sea. It's been reported the majority of their people are living in bomb shelters at this point because Iranian missiles have been raining down on them by the hundreds. They've tried the cease fire thing 3 times now but Hamas refuses to adhere to the "cease" part.
Think about this, when Israel pulled out of Gaza they left behind fully functioning infrastructure,huge hydroponic gardens and green houses etc. What happened when the last Israeli left? The Gaza residents came in and destroyed everything looting the pipes,wire etc.

So, instead of being given "fish" they were given the means to fish for themselves and then promptly tore up the poles/line/bait for scrap and now b%tch because they're hungry.

Pure hatred will eat up whatever it lives in which is what you're seeing happen to Hamas et al.

As for the "killer/cowards" comments, war causes you to kill and break things. That's the nature of the beast. Israel being cowards though? I have to disagree. It would seem to me they are more than willing to face Hamas and fight it out if they'd just quit hiding behind their mama's skirts and using their children as bullet proof vests.
THAT in and of itself is the sick cowardly action.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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IDF campaign shows rockets in schools and hospitals - Israel News, Ynetnews
 
Old 07-21-2014, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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Until those "innocent civilians" in Gaza start telling Hamas to get out or stop their terrorist actions, they should expect Israel to continue to defend itself.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 09:03 AM
 
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Since 1967 Israel has been an aggressor nation. Most Americans are afraid to even discuss this because of fear of being called anti semitic and harassment by American Jews. I completely support the cause and actions of Hamas. The majority of members of Hamas are Semitic peoples.
Wow, at least you're honest...

But that's scary. Hamas is clear that their only objective is the extermination of the Jewish people. So you are saying "I completely support the cause and actions of Hamas"

I think calling you an "antisemite" would be too kind. You're far, far worse.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 09:55 AM
 
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Until those "innocent civilians" in Gaza start telling Hamas to get out or stop their terrorist actions, they should expect Israel to continue to defend itself.
Exactly, there are no innocent civilians. They are terrorists by proxy when they select madmen as their leaders. They need to stick their tail between their legs, stand down, thank Israel for not incinerating the lot of them, and then they need to look inward, get rid of terror-oriented aspects of their religion, adopt freedom, individualism, and Capitalism, and start building something meaningful like all free societies do. Tall damned order for this group of irrationalists.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Oren:: Hamas strategy relies on deaths of civilians - CNN.com

This is from CNN which is generally fairly impartial when it comes to politics.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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We can thank Hamas for bringing its own form of clarity to this war.
This is the manner in which Hamas works: It builds reinforced bunkers for its leaders (under hospitals and other must-avoid targets) but purposefully neglects to build bomb shelters for the civilians in its putative care. From their bunkers, the leaders order rocket teams to target Israeli civilians. Hamas, which was responsible for the deaths of several hundred Israeli civilians during the second Palestinian uprising alone, has lately been less effective at killing Israelis, but nevertheless, the rockets keep launching. When you repeatedly fire rockets at civilian targets in a neighboring country, that country usually responds militarily. Civilians get killed during the Israeli response in part because Hamas rocket teams operate from sites that are among Gaza's most densely populated, and in part because Hamas stores its weapons in schools and mosques.

The goal of Hamas—the actual, overarching goal—is to terrorize the Jews of Israel, through mass murder, into abandoning their country. If generations of Palestinians have to be sacrificed to that goal, well, Hamas believes such sacrifices are theologically justified.

President Obama himself has spoken strongly about Israel's right to self-defense. Here is what he said Wednesday: "As I’ve said repeatedly, Israel has a right to defend itself from rocket attacks that terrorize the Israeli people. There is no country on Earth that can be expected to live under a daily barrage of rockets."
 
Old 07-21-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: California
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When you massacre hundreds of women and children you are all be assuring a new generation of people hell bent on revenge. There is defending yourself and there is outright mass murder. Israel has crossed that line. The U.S. needs to back off its unwavering support of Israel. They always had blood on their hands as well.
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