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Old 07-16-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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So, this thread is about which President is the smartest, not the best executive, best orator, etc. Smartest. That is a very difficult thing to figure out. For historical figures who lived before the time of IQ tests, people have used a variety of criteria to come to the conclusion that Mozart, Beethoven, and Freud were geniuses.

My opinion is that Jefferson's writings exhibit a superior intellect. Monroe was a driving force behind the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, so he gets high marks. Lincoln wrote his own speeches. His writing gets him in the club too. I'm not certain if Wilson get into the top ranks. Although the League of Nations was great thinking, he couldn't get the Senate to endorse it. He was a PhD and a University President, but degrees do not automatically make one smart. I don't think FDR's writings or speaking skills illustrate great intellect, but they do show great leadership, which is not the same thing. JFK was a speed reader. I think that quality often goes with a high IQ. I think Carter is very intelligent, even though his administration was a failure on many fronts. Bill Clinton is quite smart, but I don't think his brain measures up to those of Jefferson, Monroe, Lincoln, or Kennedy. While President Obama is an intelligent man, I would be surprised to find out his IQ was as high as Clinton's. Watching either Bush, Nixon, LBJ, Reagan, Eisenhower, or Truman cuts them all out of the running.

For simply being the smartest men to become President, I think Jefferson, Monroe, Lincoln and Kennedy are all in the running. Different experts would ranks them differently, but I think those 4 should be at the top of the list.

On the other hand, Teddy Roosevelt and George Washington are the only Presidents on this list:

GENIUSES IN HISTORY: Beethoven, Da Vinci, Mozart, Bach, Rossini, Paganini,William Blake, Van Gogh, Socrates, Joan Of Arc, Galileo, Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, William Shakespeare, Aldous Huxley, Madame Curie,* Albert Einstein, The Great Kat!
You disqualify Nixon, but praise Obama's intelligence?

I'd bet my 401K that if Obama were to release his grades they wouldn't be near Nixon's.

Nixon got offered scholarships to Harvard and Yale on his own merits out of high school - There is no way Obama could have went to Harvard or Yale undergrad - let alone on a full ride. Nixon had to turn them down as his brother was severely sick (would soon die) and his family was poor and needed him to work for them. So he went to a local college, Whittier on scholarship, where he graduated 2nd in his class. He then won a scholarship to Duke Law School (prestigious) where he graduated 2nd in his class. Who used their law degree to win cases between the two? Not Obama.

I'd rank Nixon as smarter than Obama and it isn't that close.

Eisenhower was also very talented at figuring out individuals and making them work for him in the army and as president. He was really the only person that could make the allies function anywhere where it needed to be between all of the generals and countries. He constantly sold him self short to be under-estimated.

 
Old 07-16-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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You have a point . You can be book smart, but not street smart. Obama is Book Smart, but not very street smart. We see the results today.

I think, Ron Reagan and Clinton has the talent of being both. The 2 men could appeal to the average guy and pull both sides together to get things done.

The other point is having the right people around you that can tell the President Good or Bad, in the decision process.

A true success of any President is the ability to reach out to your political foe!
Obama? Just because you have a law license and lectured in a College doesn't mean you are a Constitutional Attorney.
 
Old 07-16-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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Most likely Andrew Johnson, if your talking street smarts.
Calvin Coolidge was very keen, too.
JFK was most likely the most intelligent.
From what I've read, JFK wasn't that intelligent. His brother Robert was the smart one in the brood. Tge oldest was groomed to be president, but he died during the war so Jack was next in line.
 
Old 07-16-2014, 05:50 PM
 
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Yes President Obama is the smartest ever!
 
Old 07-16-2014, 07:27 PM
 
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JFK was a speed reader. I think that quality often goes with a high IQ.


For simply being the smartest men to become President, I think Jefferson, Monroe, Lincoln and Kennedy are all in the running. Different experts would ranks them differently, but I think those 4 should be at the top of the list.
Speed reading doesn't necessarily equate to IQ as much as it equals practicing the skill of reading fast. Also, studies show that reading more than 400 words per minute shows a decline in comprehension. Studies show that people reading at 800 words per minute score equally on comprehension as people who did NOT read the text at all. So Kennedy was more or less 'skimming' at 1,200 words per minute and not comprehending much, but then again experts believe that Kennedy was exaggerating and was more around 500 to 600 words per minute based on the evidence.

Speed Reading


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From what I've read, JFK wasn't that intelligent. His brother Robert was the smart one in the brood. Tge oldest was groomed to be president, but he died during the war so Jack was next in line.
Yes, Kennedy wrote horrendous admissions essays when he applied to Harvard and Princeton. His grades were a sea of Cs and Ds with a couple Fs and Bs and devoid of As.

He was either academically lazy or not gifted.

JFK’s Harvard application (with essay) and other school records - The Washington Post

JFK’s unimpressive Harvard application | The Daily Caller

JFK lied his way into Harvard | The Daily Caller
 
Old 07-16-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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The most intelligent president of all-time is most likely Thomas Jefferson. The most intelligent political figure of all time? Probably Alexander Hamilton.

But just because someone is smart, doesn't make them a good person. Nor does it mean they will ever do great things.

Alexander Hamilton was a scumbag and was killed in a duel.


As for presidents. I don't know enough about all of the presidents to have an opinion. But I do think Woodrow Wilson was very intelligent. I recognize that Bill Clinton is highly intelligent.

Even though I hate him, I think Abraham Lincoln was very intelligent. Nixon was intelligent.



But really, looking at all these "intelligent" men, why should I like them?

Bill Clinton has no morals. Nixon was a lying manipulative scumbag. Woodrow Wilson handed the country to the banks, and manipulated us into a war which he declared repeatedly he would keep us out of. Abraham Lincoln was a lying tyrant scumbag. Whose pride led to the deaths of nearly a million Americans. And Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.


So, who really gives a crap? Why is this even a question?
 
Old 07-16-2014, 08:15 PM
 
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I guess that depends on what happens when there is no telelprompter. Be interesting to see Obama try a 30 minute speech with nothing but note cards.

IQ is important but the smartest kid in our class had his nose buried in a physics books starting around 4th grade. By the time he was in middle school there was nothing they could teach him even at the HS. I'm sure there was plenty of stuff he could of taught them. His writing looked like a second graders even in HS and I'm pretty sure he barely got by or failed all the other classes. We'd be in history class and he'd be reading physics. I think they just left him go once we were in the later grades. Last itme I saw him a few years back he still had that odd shuffling walk looking at the ground and mumbling to himself. For all I know he solved how to time travel but he'd never in a million years be a leader.
The Time for Choosing speech was impressive but I think his 1976 impromptu speech at the Republican National Convention was even more impressive. I'm pretty sure it was memorized but that's not what makes it impressive to me (even if it was about 6 minutes straight). What makes it impressive to me is that in 6 minutes he pretty much showed everyone at the convention that voted for Ford that they had elected the wrong person.

Of course there was a lot more going on behind the scenes too.

Remarks at the Republican National Convention (August 19, 1976)
SHIRLEY: Another history-making GOP convention - Washington Times
 
Old 07-16-2014, 08:19 PM
 
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There were a lot of us who thought Ronald Reagan was clown and everytime he opened his mouth he proved it. They really wanted us to believe that Ronald Reagan did not approve the selling of weapons to terrorists in Lebanon and Iran and laundering the money and running drugs through Panama to fund other terroroists in Nicaragua and El Salvador. That it was all done by a low level staffer a Marine Col. on the National Security Staff. They must of thought the American people were pretty stupid. You know what they were RIGHT!!!!
For your reading pleasure:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...telligence.pdf

You do have an intellectual curiosity don't you?
 
Old 07-16-2014, 08:22 PM
 
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It is a myth that FDR and his policies prolonged the Depression. When FDR became President in March 1933 the GDP of the American economy had shrunk by 50% since 1929 and the DJIA the measure of major corprorate stocks had lost 90% of its value compared to its high in 1929. Also the collapse of the financial system destroyed about 10, 000 banks and savings and loans and since their was no FBIC FSLDIC anyone who had anything in the way of an account had absolutely nothing when the institution failed. The so-called Great Recession of 2007-9 was a pin prick compared to the near death experience America was facing in 1933. By 1937 New Deal policies had resulted in the US economy producing a GDP of 90% of that in 1929 and likewise the NYSE DJIA was also near 1929 levels. So in 4 years FDR had doubled the size of the American economy something no 20th Century President has done. The value of American capital as reprsented by the NYSE was increased 800% in the same 4 years.( A smart Boston businessman who made a small fortune in rum running from Canada and Cuba bought a lot of distressed stocks and when the market recovered he became seriously rich, his second eldest son became the President of the USA in 1961) Unemployment was still 15% but when he was sworn in in 1933 its was over 25% and in some ethnic groups it was near 60% (give yourself a cookie if you can guess which ethnic group it was) . In 1937, the nation slipped back into a recession that caused a 10% contraction in the US economy before another huge stimulous called War spending (both tho foreign customers and to the US War Department and Department of the Navy kicked in 1938-9 and took America to prosperity. The hickup in 1937 was caused by the GOP dominated Supreme Court who declared the National Recovery Act unconstitutional because it took control of private property to rebuild US companies that were bankrupt. In other words a company being reconstructed by the National Reconcruction Finance Corp. was under Federal government management until the Agency concluded the firm was a viable company again.
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Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, initiated in early 1933, did include a number of new federal programs aimed at generating recovery. For example, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) hired the unemployed to work on government building projects, and the Agricultural Adjustment Administration (AAA) gave large payments to farmers. However, the actual increases in government spending and the government budget deficit were small relative to the size of the economy. This is especially apparent when state government budget deficits are included, because those deficits actually declined at the same time that the federal deficit rose. As a result, the new spending programs initiated by the New Deal had little direct expansionary effect on the economy. Whether they may nevertheless have had positive effects on consumer and business sentiment remains an open question. United States military spending related to World War II was not large enough to appreciably affect total spending and output until 1941.
Forthcoming in the Encyclopædia Britannica
Christina D. Romer
December 20, 2003

http://eml.berkeley.edu/~cromer/great_depression.pdf

You do remember Christina Romer don't you?

Opps...
 
Old 07-16-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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actually i would put FDR in the same category as reagan and jfk as being able to communicate and inspire people. remember he did keep the people hopeful through the depression, despite his policies that extended the depression.
JFK inspired people because they believed Camelot actually existed. If they had known what a bumbling fool Kennedy was and how absolutely atrocious his morals were the whole country would have turned green from everyone puking all over themselves.
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