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Old 07-17-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Unless the list includes foreign presidents it isn't too difficult to make a list of the top 50 smartest Presidents of all time since only 44 men have taken the Oath of Office and served as President of the United States of America.
I do believe that's a misstatement...you think they'd understand why a man who'd been on the campaign trail for a couple months would say '57 states', but no.

 
Old 07-17-2014, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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For which we should be grateful or we would have had the Federal Reserve a 100 years earlier.

If we had had a Bank of the United States and kept it we might have not had the boom and bust economy and Financial Panics that was typical of the US economy until modern times after the New Deal and the Federal Reserve system which we can credit to President Wilson and which as properly set up by the New Dealers. With compound interest and strong financing for a century more than we've had who knows how rich we all might be today. Think of all the wealth destroyed in the depressions and market Panics that struck America in the 1830s, 1850s,1870s, 1880, 1890s, 1908 and 1929?
 
Old 07-17-2014, 04:05 PM
 
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Top 5, in no particular order:

Lincoln
Wilson
Madison
Eisenhower
Taft

Next 5, in no particular order:

Jefferson
Fillmore
Grant
F. Roosevelt
Obama
 
Old 07-17-2014, 04:13 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Great news for Obamabots worldwide:

It has been determined that Barack Obama has made the list of the Top 50 Smartest Presidents of All Time! While that is subject -- and highly likely -- to change in the coming years, that is certainly an accomplishment to be proud of.

Top 50!

The former leader of The Choom Gang is one of the top 50 smartest presidents......Michelle, for the second time in her life, is proud of her country!

I HOPE you never CHANGE, BarackO The Whacko™!
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Unless the list includes foreign presidents it isn't too difficult to make a list of the top 50 smartest Presidents of all time since only 44 men have taken the Oath of Office and served as President of the United States of America.
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I do believe that's a misstatement...you think they'd understand why a man who'd been on the campaign trail for a couple months would say '57 states', but no.

Read the underlined again and really catch the meaning.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 04:49 PM
 
Location: NJ
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My friends and I (all history/politics geeks) were debating who the smartest president of all time was -- or is. Note that when we say "smartest," we mean book smart.

I did an internet search to see if we could find any good "Top 10 lists." I came up empty, except for a couple of articles like this one:

Who is The Smartest US. President of All Time? Is It Obama?

The article narrows it down to Obama, Wilson, and Jefferson.

But Arthur, Garfield, Cleveland and Lyndon Johnson were themselves teachers.

What's your take on this? Would Jefferson win the accolade for biggest book nerd? Would he win the superlative for "most intelligent"? I haven't done enough research on the more obscure presidents to come to a definitive answer.
Obama doesn't even qualify to be listed as a 'president'. Smart, is not an attribute that he posesses unless you consider his ability to play to an uninformed and overwhelmed audience.
 
Old 07-18-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Yes I am black. Second of all I do not agree with everything Obama has done while in office just like MOST black folks. So lets get that out the way first. I have never in my lifetime seen a President criticized for EVERYTHING he does or shall I say TRY to do. That's where the RACISM comes in at for me. Every President prior to Obama has done some good and some not so good things. FACT!! Now you are the one who is ignorant if you can't see that the underlining factor behind SO MUCH criticism is because he is BLACK. FACT!! I'm about to prove how racist some of you are. Name some things he has done in office that has been good? Once again its not about the criticism because no man is perfect and no President has been perfect wouldn't you agree? But it's the AMOUNT of criticism and the purposeful sabotaging of EVERYTHING he tries to implement admitted by the GOP. They have come straight out on several occassions and basically said there who'll agenda is to BLOCK EVERYTHING he does or tries to do. Now you name me ONE President that has happened too? You can't name one and you say that it has NOTHING to do with race. Are you white because if so that's just typical white man talk, which is NEVER to admit any wrong doing about ANYTHING as if some of ya'll are perfect. Another FACT!! Get your mind right.
My first inclination was not to bother to answer this rant, but there are a couple of things I want to make clear.

In Obama's 2008 campaign he promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Those are his exact words. Most people didn't even bother to discover what he meant by that. Some of us did.

The mainstream media was of little help; they were doing their best to paint Obama as some kind of "Messiah" figure, and savior of the country (if not the world). They had spent nearly the last eight years trashing Bush, and blaming him for all of America's current ills, Americans were weary of war, and the message of "hope and change" sounded good. But, they never bothered to find out what kind of "change" was being advocated by the candidate.

Obama has a history of anti-Americanism. As a young radical, at Occidental College in 1980, he joined a Marxist-socialist group founded by John Drew (a black) who describes himself at the time as being an "angry Marxist revolutionary." This group eventually became known as the "Democratic Socialist Alliance." As Drew tells it, the group "searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people for the coming revolution."

According to Drew, at their first meeting, Obama spoke repeatedly of "the coming revolution," and talked about how they (the Marxist revolutionaries) needed to be organized and "grow the movement." Their goal was to end capitalism. Drew states that everything he heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy. As a Marxist himself, Drew states that if Obama had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, he would have known it.

Drew himself by this time had abandoned any idea of a revolution, and instead saw politics as the "preferred route to socialism," and by the end of this meeting he explains that he had persuaded Barack Obama to this thinking.

In later years in Obama's political career, he was a member of the Chicago "New Party," who were socialists.

As a child, Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed communist.

Obama is a believer in the "Cloward-Piven strategy," and we can see this playing out in his welfare policies, and more recently in his policies toward illegal immigrants, which is adding to the already overloaded system, and destined to bankrupt our economy if left unchecked.

It is clear that Obama's policies are aimed at transforming America to a European style socialist country, and we now know that was what he meant by "fundamentally transform America."

Thus, my criticism, or that of others, has noting to do with his being black, but everything to do with his politics. His administration has been a disaster, his "Health Care Reform" bill (Obamacare) has little to do with reforming health care or health insurance, and everything to do with control of peoples lives. It is unconstitutional on its face, and worse, his constant changing of the law by fiat is unconstitutional.

He has supported terrorism in the Middle East (the Muslim Brotherhood), and has members of the MB in his administration.

He gives lip service to supporting Israel, while enabling and aiding the enemies of Israel, and has allowed Iran to continue their nuclear weapons program.

And, no, there is not one thing "good" that I can name that Obama has done. Can you? What is it?
 
Old 07-18-2014, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I did realize what changes president Obama was trying to make. I regret he was unable to make a dent in our collusive mixture of big business and government here where the businesses set the government policy and the rest of us are simply ignored. A bit of socialism, like an actual health care program that eliminated the private sector, would be a relief after the decades, starting in WW2 and after, the Fascist government and economy we suffer under. Even better than a little socialism would be a real enforcement of the anti trust and monopoly laws that would add a lot more market to our monopolized economy. We need capitalism not Wally World.

Last edited by GregW; 07-18-2014 at 05:36 AM..
 
Old 07-18-2014, 06:10 AM
 
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My first inclination was not to bother to answer this rant, but there are a couple of things I want to make clear.

In Obama's 2008 campaign he promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Those are his exact words. Most people didn't even bother to discover what he meant by that. Some of us did.

The mainstream media was of little help; they were doing their best to paint Obama as some kind of "Messiah" figure, and savior of the country (if not the world). They had spent nearly the last eight years trashing Bush, and blaming him for all of America's current ills, Americans were weary of war, and the message of "hope and change" sounded good. But, they never bothered to find out what kind of "change" was being advocated by the candidate.

Obama has a history of anti-Americanism. As a young radical, at Occidental College in 1980, he joined a Marxist-socialist group founded by John Drew (a black) who describes himself at the time as being an "angry Marxist revolutionary." This group eventually became known as the "Democratic Socialist Alliance." As Drew tells it, the group "searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people for the coming revolution."

According to Drew, at their first meeting, Obama spoke repeatedly of "the coming revolution," and talked about how they (the Marxist revolutionaries) needed to be organized and "grow the movement." Their goal was to end capitalism. Drew states that everything he heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy. As a Marxist himself, Drew states that if Obama had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, he would have known it.

Drew himself by this time had abandoned any idea of a revolution, and instead saw politics as the "preferred route to socialism," and by the end of this meeting he explains that he had persuaded Barack Obama to this thinking.

In later years in Obama's political career, he was a member of the Chicago "New Party," who were socialists.

As a child, Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed communist.

Obama is a believer in the "Cloward-Piven strategy," and we can see this playing out in his welfare policies, and more recently in his policies toward illegal immigrants, which is adding to the already overloaded system, and destined to bankrupt our economy if left unchecked.

It is clear that Obama's policies are aimed at transforming America to a European style socialist country, and we now know that was what he meant by "fundamentally transform America."

Thus, my criticism, or that of others, has noting to do with his being black, but everything to do with his politics. His administration has been a disaster, his "Health Care Reform" bill (Obamacare) has little to do with reforming health care or health insurance, and everything to do with control of peoples lives. It is unconstitutional on its face, and worse, his constant changing of the law by fiat is unconstitutional.

He has supported terrorism in the Middle East (the Muslim Brotherhood), and has members of the MB in his administration.

He gives lip service to supporting Israel, while enabling and aiding the enemies of Israel, and has allowed Iran to continue their nuclear weapons program.

And, no, there is not one thing "good" that I can name that Obama has done. Can you? What is it?
Opps...

I guess NativeSon504 has something new to think about now.

I don't get it. People think that because Obama won the presidency everyone is suppose to just roll over like dogs and let them have their way with the country. That is the exact opposite of why the FF set the government up the way they did. It was not to be a government changed by whims of society based on superficial political slogans. It was meant to be stable and long lasting with many forms of checks and balances.

I guess you're a checkist and balancist who doesn't understand blackholian and transparian languages coming from the alien from planet Fedchenko.
 
Old 07-18-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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My first inclination was not to bother to answer this rant, but there are a couple of things I want to make clear.

In Obama's 2008 campaign he promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Those are his exact words. Most people didn't even bother to discover what he meant by that. Some of us did.

The mainstream media was of little help; they were doing their best to paint Obama as some kind of "Messiah" figure, and savior of the country (if not the world). They had spent nearly the last eight years trashing Bush, and blaming him for all of America's current ills, Americans were weary of war, and the message of "hope and change" sounded good. But, they never bothered to find out what kind of "change" was being advocated by the candidate.

Obama has a history of anti-Americanism. As a young radical, at Occidental College in 1980, he joined a Marxist-socialist group founded by John Drew (a black) who describes himself at the time as being an "angry Marxist revolutionary." This group eventually became known as the "Democratic Socialist Alliance." As Drew tells it, the group "searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people for the coming revolution."

According to Drew, at their first meeting, Obama spoke repeatedly of "the coming revolution," and talked about how they (the Marxist revolutionaries) needed to be organized and "grow the movement." Their goal was to end capitalism. Drew states that everything he heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy. As a Marxist himself, Drew states that if Obama had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, he would have known it.

Drew himself by this time had abandoned any idea of a revolution, and instead saw politics as the "preferred route to socialism," and by the end of this meeting he explains that he had persuaded Barack Obama to this thinking.

In later years in Obama's political career, he was a member of the Chicago "New Party," who were socialists.

As a child, Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed communist.

Obama is a believer in the "Cloward-Piven strategy," and we can see this playing out in his welfare policies, and more recently in his policies toward illegal immigrants, which is adding to the already overloaded system, and destined to bankrupt our economy if left unchecked.

It is clear that Obama's policies are aimed at transforming America to a European style socialist country, and we now know that was what he meant by "fundamentally transform America."

Thus, my criticism, or that of others, has noting to do with his being black, but everything to do with his politics. His administration has been a disaster, his "Health Care Reform" bill (Obamacare) has little to do with reforming health care or health insurance, and everything to do with control of peoples lives. It is unconstitutional on its face, and worse, his constant changing of the law by fiat is unconstitutional.

He has supported terrorism in the Middle East (the Muslim Brotherhood), and has members of the MB in his administration.

He gives lip service to supporting Israel, while enabling and aiding the enemies of Israel, and has allowed Iran to continue their nuclear weapons program.

And, no, there is not one thing "good" that I can name that Obama has done. Can you? What is it?

Once again Obama aint perfect, NO President is. True or False? Also once again I don't agree with everything he does just like MOST black folks. Also everything you just said I was aware of. While I agree with you that SOME of his critism is because of his politics which is fine with me because I don't agree with some myself but if you think that NONE of his critism has NOTHING to do with his color, you are retarded. Once again typical white man talk NEVER admits ANY wrong doing with anything. FACT!! You probably don't even think racism exist huh? lol... Oh and I knew you would say there is not one good thing Obama has done. Once again typical white man talk while negating the FACT that everytime the man TRIES to get something done it gets SHOT DOWN by the GOP. True or False? Lastly you said name one good thing he has done well I give you one and that is why it took this long for any President to push for EQUAL pay rights for women? Well he did and it is now LAW. I guess the 42 Presidents prior to Obama didn't think to much of women getting equal pay huh. You've got to be kidding me and by the way stop letting FOX NEWS pollute your mind.
 
Old 07-18-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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My first inclination was not to bother to answer this rant, but there are a couple of things I want to make clear.

In Obama's 2008 campaign he promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Those are his exact words. Most people didn't even bother to discover what he meant by that. Some of us did.

The mainstream media was of little help; they were doing their best to paint Obama as some kind of "Messiah" figure, and savior of the country (if not the world). They had spent nearly the last eight years trashing Bush, and blaming him for all of America's current ills, Americans were weary of war, and the message of "hope and change" sounded good. But, they never bothered to find out what kind of "change" was being advocated by the candidate.

Obama has a history of anti-Americanism. As a young radical, at Occidental College in 1980, he joined a Marxist-socialist group founded by John Drew (a black) who describes himself at the time as being an "angry Marxist revolutionary." This group eventually became known as the "Democratic Socialist Alliance." As Drew tells it, the group "searched for ways to embarrass the administration, help students to see the evil of the U.S. capitalist system, and mobilize people for the coming revolution."

According to Drew, at their first meeting, Obama spoke repeatedly of "the coming revolution," and talked about how they (the Marxist revolutionaries) needed to be organized and "grow the movement." Their goal was to end capitalism. Drew states that everything he heard Obama argue that evening was consistent with Marxist philosophy. As a Marxist himself, Drew states that if Obama had not been a true Marxist-Leninist, he would have known it.

Drew himself by this time had abandoned any idea of a revolution, and instead saw politics as the "preferred route to socialism," and by the end of this meeting he explains that he had persuaded Barack Obama to this thinking.

In later years in Obama's political career, he was a member of the Chicago "New Party," who were socialists.

As a child, Obama's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, an avowed communist.

Obama is a believer in the "Cloward-Piven strategy," and we can see this playing out in his welfare policies, and more recently in his policies toward illegal immigrants, which is adding to the already overloaded system, and destined to bankrupt our economy if left unchecked.

It is clear that Obama's policies are aimed at transforming America to a European style socialist country, and we now know that was what he meant by "fundamentally transform America."

Thus, my criticism, or that of others, has noting to do with his being black, but everything to do with his politics. His administration has been a disaster, his "Health Care Reform" bill (Obamacare) has little to do with reforming health care or health insurance, and everything to do with control of peoples lives. It is unconstitutional on its face, and worse, his constant changing of the law by fiat is unconstitutional.

He has supported terrorism in the Middle East (the Muslim Brotherhood), and has members of the MB in his administration.

He gives lip service to supporting Israel, while enabling and aiding the enemies of Israel, and has allowed Iran to continue their nuclear weapons program.

And, no, there is not one thing "good" that I can name that Obama has done. Can you? What is it?
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