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Old 07-18-2014, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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I did realize what changes president Obama was trying to make. I regret he was unable to make a dent in our collusive mixture of big business and government here where the businesses set the government policy and the rest of us are simply ignored. A bit of socialism, like an actual health care program that eliminated the private sector, would be a relief after the decades, starting in WW2 and after, the Fascist government and economy we suffer under. Even better than a little socialism would be a real enforcement of the anti trust and monopoly laws that would add a lot more market to our monopolized economy. We need capitalism not Wally World.

Your comment reminds me of a wonderful scene from the movie Network, the scene where the head of the UBS Network puts the fear of GOD into his News Anchor Howard Beale. In a booming voice of GOD almighty he tells Howard to cease his commentary and to stop "Messing around with the Primal Forces of Nature". Behind closed doors Obama gets this message from time to time from GOD almighty.

 
Old 07-19-2014, 04:42 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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No one said to roll over like dogs just because Obama is President, once again he is just a man he's not perfect. But my thing is to be FAIR in your assesments and don't be so quick to judge. You and I both know that this President has not been treated fairly. FACT! But then again when has America ever been fair to any person of color native americans, blacks, hispanics etc. NEVERMIND. Just continue to push your white supremacy agenda.
Have you, and Bush's critics been fair in your assesments of his administration and presidency? (rhetorical question)

Your own racism is glaring. I think America has come a long way since the antebellum days of slavery, and the KKK. (By-the-way, you probably didn't know that the Atlantic Slave Trade was run by Muslims, not whites, and Muslims today still take people as slaves. Gee, Obama has some ties to Islam — but, that's just a thought.)

Obama has done nothing for blacks in this country, but he has done everything for illegal immigrants, whom the Democrats see as future Democrat voters.

Did you ever stop to think that the animus toward blacks today is primarily toward the street thugs, drug dealers, petty thieves, and those who think it's funny to play the "knock-out game?" I don't think anyone has any animosity toward a hard working black man, who takes care of his family, is responsible, is even moderately successful (if not very successful), and is (like everyone else) trying to make a better life for himself and his family. One like that can be my neighbor anytime.

Finally, just a writers tip: If you want to be afforded a modicum of credibility, do not preface (or follow) a statement with, "FACT!" To most readers, it's a sure sign that what is being stated has no basis in fact, but is simply the opinion of the writer, and quite possibly, patently false.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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Once again Obama aint perfect, NO President is. True or False? Also once again I don't agree with everything he does just like MOST black folks. Also everything you just said I was aware of. While I agree with you that SOME of his critism is because of his politics which is fine with me because I don't agree with some myself but if you think that NONE of his critism has NOTHING to do with his color, you are retarded. Once again typical white man talk NEVER admits ANY wrong doing with anything. FACT!! You probably don't even think racism exist huh? lol... Oh and I knew you would say there is not one good thing Obama has done. Once again typical white man talk while negating the FACT that everytime the man TRIES to get something done it gets SHOT DOWN by the GOP. True or False? Lastly you said name one good thing he has done well I give you one and that is why it took this long for any President to push for EQUAL pay rights for women? Well he did and it is now LAW. I guess the 42 Presidents prior to Obama didn't think to much of women getting equal pay huh. You've got to be kidding me and by the way stop letting FOX NEWS pollute your mind.
With the internet available to everyone an education is basically free. Try it, people will start taking you serious.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 05:52 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Well, the propagandists have arrived.



I think the bar is set higher for Obama than any other President in the last 50 years. A short list of key accomplishments:

1) Took office while US economy was in the process of collapsing--smooth transition prevented catastrophe and entire administration has been marked by economic recovery, partly initiated by his stimulus bill.
This is a joke, right? what recovery? We have over 50% of the labor force still unemployed, and unable to find work. We have more people on government assistance than at any time in our history. Obama has increased our debt to an unimaginable level, and his so-called "stimulus" bills were mostly doled out to his friends in "green" industries (most of which have since gone bankrupt). "Cash for clunkers" was an absolute disaster, destroying thousands of usable vehicles and driving up the cost of used cars — to say nothing of the shortage of good used cars it caused. And that's only a small part of the story of his "recovery."
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2) Found and killed Osama bin Laden.
Big deal. He would have been found eventually anyway.

At the same time, Obama, through his support of terrorists (the "Muslim Brotherhood"), is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people and the complete destabilization of the Middle East. Gee, what a wonderful accomplishment.

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3) Has done more for gay rights than any President, ever.
And in doing so, has trampled the rights of others, and destroyed the concept of "marriage" by marginalizing it.
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4) Passed a health care reform law that dramatically reduced the number of uninsured Americans, including millions of uninsured children.
Actually, the number of uninsured has not been reduced at all, and may actually have increased, as insurance is less affordable for many who were previously insured.

No one who needed it was denied treatment prior to the passage of Obamacare. That is the law.

Health care has not been "reformed" at all, and it didn't need to be reformed. We have (had) the best health care system in the world. What is happening now is peoples choices are being limited, doctors are leaving the profession, and many who are not leaving are refusing to accept Obamacare patients. Medical technology will suffer (because of the "medical device tax").

"Full time" work has been reduced to 30 hours, meaning incomes have fallen (fewer hours worked = less pay).

We are only beginning to see the decline that will be the result of this unconstitutional piece of legislation.

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5) Passed a financial regulation bill that increased protections against financial collapse.
Making it more difficult for banks to loan money, or for people to get loans. Many other consequences, none good. I went to make a small purchase (under $5.00) using my debit card from a local retailer recently, who wanted to charge me an extra $1 to cover the fee's they must pay! That, as a result of the new financial regulations you think are so wonderful. I told the merchant to forget it, and walked out.

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6) Is overseeing sharp deficit reductions, even with very slight inflation.
You must have the complete list of Democrat "talking points." Obama has had little to do with deficit reduction, and what about our debt?

As for inflation, have you been to the grocery store lately? Beef prices? (can't even touch a rib eye steak anymore, and even ground chuck is over $3.00/lb) Even pork (not too long ago, we were buying whole pork loin for $1.29/lb. It's now $2.99/lb ON SALE, or $3.99/lb not on sale). Butter is up to $4.00/lb. (or more) — that's up from $2.50/lb.

Electricity is on the rise (because of Obama's "War on coal". Our propane bill doubled last winter, because there weren't the reserves needed to cover the increase in demand for the cold. And why not (one must ask)? Could it be because of the poor energy policies of this administration?

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7) Ended a war in Iraq that was not achieving anything for the United States.
Except that it disallowed a "safe haven" for terrorists, and our control of Iraqi air space helped to keep Iran in check. Obama squandered it all, and now the terrorists have once again free reign in Iraq, and Iran controls the air space. Not good for U.S. interests. Great foreign policy, Obama!

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8) Managed tepid allies to present a united front against Russian involvement in Ukraine.
Oh, please! Our "allies" (the ones who are left) don't trust Obama. They see him as the incompetent boob (they think he's a joke) that he is.
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9) Presided over the issuance of power plant regulations that could significantly reduce US carbon emissions.
The "War on coal" is driving up the cost of electricity, which drives our nations industries. Cheap electricity is the engine of Liberty. This is to say nothing of what it is doing to the average homeowner, already struggling to keep ahead. Remember, Obama himself declared, "Under my plan ... electricity prices will skyrocket." Why is this good? And all because of some perceived notion of "climate change," which has been proven to be a hoax.

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10) Passed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, a tool for promoting pay equality.
Ask him why women in his administration are not getting equal pay?
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11) Increased fuel efficiency standards.
Resulting in more expensive and less safe automobiles (lighter weight means less safe). The need for this is also based on the perceived notion of "climate change," and also the perceived notion that the supply of oil is finite and we are running short — even as the U.S. is about to become the world largest producer of oil.

All these "standards" and regulations are based on lies.

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12) Achieved substantial progress in Iran nuclear talks through negotiation.
LOL!!! That has to be the joke of the century! Iran is forging ahead with their plans. They don't give a damn about "talk" and "negotiations." What dream world do you live in?
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There have been problems, to be sure. But that list is much more impressive than the two Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, and Nixon, at least.
Oh, please!!!!! Brother, are you brainwashed!
 
Old 07-19-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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With the internet available to everyone an education is basically free. Try it, people will start taking you serious.
Lol... I probably have more education than you will ever have, son. You've got to be kiddin me lol...
 
Old 07-19-2014, 03:51 PM
 
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Have you, and Bush's critics been fair in your assesments of his administration and presidency? (rhetorical question)

Your own racism is glaring. I think America has come a long way since the antebellum days of slavery, and the KKK. (By-the-way, you probably didn't know that the Atlantic Slave Trade was run by Muslims, not whites, and Muslims today still take people as slaves. Gee, Obama has some ties to Islam — but, that's just a thought.)

Obama has done nothing for blacks in this country, but he has done everything for illegal immigrants, whom the Democrats see as future Democrat voters.

Did you ever stop to think that the animus toward blacks today is primarily toward the street thugs, drug dealers, petty thieves, and those who think it's funny to play the "knock-out game?" I don't think anyone has any animosity toward a hard working black man, who takes care of his family, is responsible, is even moderately successful (if not very successful), and is (like everyone else) trying to make a better life for himself and his family. One like that can be my neighbor anytime.

Finally, just a writers tip: If you want to be afforded a modicum of credibility, do not preface (or follow) a statement with, "FACT!" To most readers, it's a sure sign that what is being stated has no basis in fact, but is simply the opinion of the writer, and quite possibly, patently false.

I have been fair to Bush, once again you don't comprehend very well because in one of my earlier post I specifically stated that every President has done some good and some not so good including Bush. Also if you are white you should NEVER accuse any other race of people of being racist because guess who invented racism? Does this mean that ALL whites are racist? Of course not and I can speak from both sides of the spectrum because of personal experience not to mentioned things that have been told to me by others. One thing I do agree with you is that Obama has not done much for blacks in this country and I wonder why. You think he's getting backlash for helping others, if he was to pay close attention to the black agenda ALL of ya'll would be calling him a racist. He's not stupid. He can't just focus on blacks because of that fact so he has to try to incorporate them with everybody else and do slick things for them so some white folks won't label him like they do with everything else. Also I agree America has come a long way when it comes to race issues but EVERYONE knows it still has a long long way to go. FACT!! I have a serious question for you put your pride aside and be honest. Do you really think that black men are treated equally as a white men in America? Please tell me you don't really believe this, son.
 
Old 07-19-2014, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Jimmy Carter was considered the smartest president by IQ, if I recall, and look where his intelligence got this country. Smarts is a small part of leadership and success.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Jimmy Carter was considered the smartest president by IQ, if I recall, and look where his intelligence got this country. Smarts is a small part of leadership and success.

Fun discussion, and for the record, I think Obama is in the top ten, but not the top.

My ranking would be (admitting I have a spotty knowledge of the presidents' talents):

1. Jefferson, 2. James Madison, 3. Lincoln, 4. Adams, 5. Woodrow Wilson, 6. Bill Clinton, 7. Richard Nixon, 8. Jimmy Carter, 9. Teddy Roosevelt, 10. Barack Obama.

Admittedly, I am biased towards the founding fathers, as their collective genius and its consequences are manifest. Also, I have no problem admitting flawed men like Nixon and Clinton were jaw-droppingly gifted. Few things are more common than talent poorly applied, or even self-sabotaged. I tell this to my son all the time.

I would guess that all of these men have IQs of over 130 or so, some notable higher. But in any case, they would be in the top 1-2% of the population of the USA at least, and damn smart. I would suspect that the standard should be pretty strict. We should demand very high intelligence of our president, given the complexity of the job.

This could be balanced a bit with a recognition from studies of almost all things that matter in life achievement, that there seems to be a very weak correlation between life success and achievement when IQs exceed about 120 or so. At that point, you are smart, and questions of character, drive, focus, stamina, emotional intelligence, resources, and opportunity tend to overwhelm the effect of pure processing power. Given the complexity of the presidency, I would say it is exceptionally cognitively demanding, requiring the ability to absorb huge amounts of information, and to make decisions with at least minimal awareness of many possible consequences (Bush's Iraq debacle is an example of failing in that). However, even this executive competence is only one dimension of leadership, which is a whole other interesting thing. I think a separate thread on leadership would be interesting.

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Old 07-20-2014, 12:22 PM
 
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Lol... I probably have more education than you will ever have, son. You've got to be kiddin me lol...
Surprisingly, you sure haven't exhibited it here. You own some of the least educated and idiotic remarks in the whole thread.
 
Old 07-20-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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Obama doesn't even qualify to be listed as a 'president'.
Did I hallucinate Obama being twice elected president? If not being elected president, then what qualifies one to be listed as a president???
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