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Old 07-22-2014, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Profiling works, that is why leftist dont like it.

You are right profiling and harassment are not the same thing..
Racial profiling does not work.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Racial profiling does not work.
If you are looking for a white supremacist, would you look for blacks?

If you were looking for a member of the new black panther party, would you look at hispanics?

If you are looking for Islamic terrorist, would you give 5 year olds and 95 year old grandmothers strip search?

If you say no then by default I am right and you are wrong.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you are looking for a white supremacist, would you look for blacks?

If you were looking for a member of the new black panther party, would you look at hispanics?

If you are looking for Islamic terrorist, would you give 5 year olds and 95 year old grandmothers strip search?

If you say no then by default I am right and you are wrong.
If I was looking for a white supremacist, I won't assume anyone who was white could be that person.

If I was looking for a member of the new black panther party, I wouldn't assume anyone who was black could be that person.

If I was looking for an Islamic terrorist, I wouldn't assume anyone who was Middle Eastern could be that person.

So no, racial profiling doesn't work because it accuses innocent people of a potential crime they didn't commit.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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If I was looking for a white supremacist, I won't assume anyone who was white could be that person.

If I was looking for a member of the new black panther party, I wouldn't assume anyone who was black could be that person.

If I was looking for an Islamic terrorist, I wouldn't assume anyone who was Middle Eastern could be that person.

So no, racial profiling doesn't work because it accuses innocent people of a potential crime they didn't commit.
So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is white more so then if they were say black?

So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is black more so then if they were hispanic?

So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is middle eastern more so then if they were a 5 year or a 95 year old grandmother?

They really does speak volumes about you and the leftist mindset.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is white more so then if they were say black?

So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is black more so then if they were hispanic?

So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is middle eastern more so then if they were a 5 year or a 95 year old grandmother?

They really does speak volumes about you and the leftist mindset.
No, I won't assume any white person I saw could be a white supremacist.

I am sure you would totally support rounding up every brown person in this country even if they were natural born Americans just because some of them might be illegals because that is what American freedom is all about, assuming people are illegally here because the color of their skin.
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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No, I won't assume any white person I saw could be a white supremacist.

I am sure you would totally support rounding up every brown person in this country even if they were natural born Americans just because some of them might be illegals because that is what American freedom is all about, assuming people are illegally here because the color of their skin.
If you were a cop, and you were looking for one, would you not focus on whites more then you would black people?

When you cant make a point, make a joke.
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Old 07-23-2014, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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No, I won't assume any white person I saw could be a white supremacist.

I am sure you would totally support rounding up every brown person in this country even if they were natural born Americans just because some of them might be illegals because that is what American freedom is all about, assuming people are illegally here because the color of their skin.

From what I can tell, he is referring to things like New York City's "Stop and frisk". Many have complained that it is racist, because the vast majority of the people stopped were non-white.


Stop and frisk wasn't intended to be "racist". But it was a policy which focused on "high-crime areas". The problem is that, the high-crime areas are those areas with blacks and Hispanics in them. Thus the policy might "appear" racist, even though it really wasn't.


The question here is whether or not the police or other security forces should focus their resources on those areas of society, and those members of society which are the "highest-risk". Even if by doing so, some people are treated unfairly?


I understand that if the TSA simply stopped screening babies or the elderly. Then they could use them as easy ways to smuggle weapons onto planes. And thus, you need to create policies which at least assume on a certain level that anyone could potentially be a threat.


The problem I have with the people who are opposed to "racial-profiling", is that their arguments rest on the idea that no race or group of people are any more likely to be a threat than any other race or group. Obviously that is untrue.


I was talking to my niece the other day about customs enforcement. A lot of goods cross the border every single day. From what I have heard, only about 10% of all packages that cross into the US are actually opened by customs enforcement.

I was telling my niece how, it would make sense that packages from certain countries are given much greater scrutiny. I would assume that nearly every single package that comes from the Middle-East is opened by customs(or at least it should be). While packages from Canada are probably rarely opened.


The point is, no one is saying that everyone in a particular group is "bad". Rather we just realize they are a higher risk. And it would be better if policies were "reasonable" by directing resources where they are most useful.


I mean, I could take the words of Jesse Jackson himself to prove that point.

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Quote by Jesse Jackson:
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Old 07-23-2014, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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If you were a cop, and you were looking for one, would you not focus on whites more then you would black people?

When you cant make a point, make a joke.
I wasn't joking in the second paragraph.
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Old 07-23-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is white more so then if they were say black?

So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is black more so then if they were hispanic?

So you would not focus your attention on anyone who is middle eastern more so then if they were a 5 year or a 95 year old grandmother?

They really does speak volumes about you and the leftist mindset.
Not only that but how is questioning someone become an accusation? LE have to question people to solve a crime. As I said, racial profiling is prohibited but what is being discussed here is criminal profiling to solve a crime not racial profiling. As I also said, LE cannot ask you for your status in this country unless you can't provide a valid ID during "lawful" contact. That's not racial profiling. As usual the leftists and ethnocentrics are grasping at straws with their claims of racial profiling.

As for me and I am sure the majority of Americans don't think someone is here illegally just because they are "brown". Another one of their grasping at straws false claims. If all else fails use the victim and race card.
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Old 07-23-2014, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Not only that but how is questioning someone become an accusation? LE have to question people to solve a crime. As I said, racial profiling is prohibited but what is being discussed here is criminal profiling to solve a crime not racial profiling. As I also said, LE cannot ask you for your status in this country unless you can't provide a valid ID during "lawful" contact. That's not racial profiling. As usual the leftists and ethnocentrics are grasping at straws with their claims of racial profiling.

As for me and I am sure the majority of Americans don't think someone is here illegally just because they are "brown". Another one of their grasping at straws false claims. If all else fails use the victim and race card.
That is good to know, people that are not white shouldn't have to prove they are here legally if they are being law abiding citizens.
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