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Old 07-19-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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What was the effect of the individual mandate under Romneycare?
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Old 07-19-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The problem with the concept of Obamacare, and it's many mandates, couldn't be more clearly stated than this:
Blog: Feds pressuring business to rescue Obama and Dems from another failure of OCare
Every industrialized country on Earth has a healthcare system like Obamacare.

Obamacare regulates insurance corporations so they can't take advantage of people.
ObamaCare Insurance Premiums

Obamacare saves many consumers money.
HHS: ObamaCare policy has saved consumers nearly $5 billion | TheHill

And Obamacare saves the government money.
How Obamacare Will Save The Federal Government $190 Billion | ThinkProgress

Still Obamacare does have some problems like hurting some small businesses, and raising insurance premiums on some consumers. But liberals and conservatives both have their faults, and they are supposed to work together and fix/fine tune each others programs. But republicans refuse to address and fix Obamacares problems. Instead republicans in Washington want Obamacare to fail.
House GOP: Yes, we want Obamacare to fail - Washington Times

Republicans do not care about Americans negatively effected by Obamacare. Instead republicans want Obamacare to hurt as many Americans as possible, so they can use Obamacare as a political tool in the 2014/2016 elections.
Will Republicans overplay their hand on Obamacare in 2014? - CBS News
GOP's 2016 Hopefuls To Take Turns Trashing Obamacare At Summit

I wish republicans and democrats could have actual conversations about healthcare spending and the uninsured. But instead republicans will only attack Obamacare, and hope it fails so Obamacare can be used as a campaign issue in 2016.

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Old 07-19-2014, 07:56 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Here's a Washington republican that thinks its irresponsible to hope for Obamacare to fail.
Rep. Kingston Bucks GOP: Letting Obamacare Fail Irresponsible

This republican/conservative has voted several times to defund Obamacare, but he doesn't want Obamacare to fail. Instead he introduced a bill that would exempt some small businesses from the mandate to provide insurance to their employees under Obamacare. Looks like we do have a real conservative in Washington.

I wonder if democrats blocked/voted against his commonsense bill?

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Old 07-19-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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You're being disingenuous. The entire Democratic Party couldn't get behind true UHC because many Democrats from purple states would have been voted out for supporting "socialism." That's why we got the ACA instead. That's the political reality.
Wrong. There are still some Democrats who realize that government can't run anything.

Look at the Obamacare WEBSITE just for example. Can you tell me with a straight face that Congress can run a medical system?

Look at the VA system, notice how it is corrupt, dishonest, ineffective, and wasteful. What makes you think that adding 50 times more people and money would not result in an even bigger debacle?

So... Either recant your love of government run things... Or start providing some REALLY good arguments that what you want isn't just completely insane.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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What was the effect of the individual mandate under Romneycare?
Continued spiraling of costs, continued loss of providers.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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You're being disingenuous. The entire Democratic Party couldn't get behind true UHC because many Democrats from purple states would have been voted out for supporting "socialism." That's why we got the ACA instead. That's the political reality.
If a politician is truly a representative of his constituents and believes something is in their best interest then if he is truly a representative he should vote for their interest irrespective of the consequences. They had that opportunity and opted not to. You can't lay that on anyone but the Democrats who voted for the ACA. It was their responsibility and they didn't follow what they believed was right. Sorry, you can't lay that on the Republicans door... I'm not a republican and I can see that. Your representatives should have fallen on the sword and followed their beliefs.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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(Republican) Rep. Jack Kingston bill is called the "Small Business Fairness in Obamacare Act." It has 5 republican cosponsors.

Status: Referred to Committee on Oct 30, 2013
Prognosis: 0% chance of being enacted.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr3419


The CHAMBER OF COMMERCE supports the bill.
https://www.uschamber.com/sites/defa...t_Kingston.pdf

And many home care companies and members of The Academy and Caregiver Quality Assurance will qualify as ‘large employers’ under the ACA even though they employee few full time employees, and they support this bill.
Small Business Fairness in Obamacare Act | Leading Home Care


A liberal group spoke about the bill, but I could find no evidence of democrats in Washington supporting it.
GOP Rep. Jack Kingston: Not 'Responsible' To Let Obamacare Fail
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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The people elected to serve their constiuents passed the ACA sight unseen. That was egregious in my opinion. Very few specialists are accepting these plans in my city.
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Every industrialized country on Earth has a healthcare system like Obamacare.

Obamacare regulates insurance corporations so they can't take advantage of people.
ObamaCare Insurance Premiums

Obamacare saves many consumers money.
HHS: ObamaCare policy has saved consumers nearly $5 billion | TheHill

And Obamacare saves the government money.
How Obamacare Will Save The Federal Government $190 Billion | ThinkProgress

Still Obamacare does have some problems like hurting some small businesses, and raising insurance premiums on some consumers. But liberals and conservatives both have their faults, and they are supposed to work together and fix/fine tune each others programs. But republicans refuse to address and fix Obamacares problems. Instead republicans in Washington want Obamacare to fail.
House GOP: Yes, we want Obamacare to fail - Washington Times

Republicans do not care about Americans negatively effected by Obamacare. Instead republicans want Obamacare to hurt as many Americans as possible, so they can use Obamacare as a political tool in the 2014/2016 elections.
Will Republicans overplay their hand on Obamacare in 2014? - CBS News
GOP's 2016 Hopefuls To Take Turns Trashing Obamacare At Summit

I wish republicans and democrats could have actual conversations about healthcare spending and the uninsured. But instead republicans will only attack Obamacare, and hope it fails so Obamacare can be used as a campaign issue in 2016.
That dialog was attempted by the Republicans prior to passage of the ACA. It was dismissed out of hand. How long does this horse get beat to death?
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities (StP)
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Yeah, we all wish the Democrats could have passed single payer instead of having to settle for the Republican plan with its mandates. But Conservatives were determined to not allow that, thus here we are with the Republican mandates instead. But on the plus side, I and millions of other Americans who were uninsured now have health insurance. Still hoping for some form of universal healthcare--perhaps once the Tea Party dies off we can engage in sensible dialogue on this and many other the issues. As long as they are in control of the GOP that will not be possible.
Just out of curiosity, what is your deductible?
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