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Old 07-17-2014, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Point out what is "Socialist" in that OP. There is absolutely NOTHING socialist there. It's a wish list of conditions not a word of how to achieve those conditions. Do you know why the RWNJs are truly nut jobs? Without alluding to any ideology at all, right left or neutral, they will almost always be against the idea of generally improved lives for their fellows. They as a group have to be the meanest, most selfish, narcissistic, inward turned bunch of idiots ever spawned in a modern democracy.
How do you know that more regulations, higher energy cost, and less freedom and fewer choice will improve life?

Oh that is right, it wont.

We are not Mean, We are Honest

We are not Selfish, We are Driven.

We are Not Narcissistic, We are just Focused On Our Lives

We are not Inward Turned, We are just Focused On our Goals, Our Dreams, Our Liberty, Our Culture, Our Nation, Our Future because we do not expect anyone else to be or for anyone else to help us...

We are not a Democracy we are a Constitutional Republic.

Its ok, just morality and emotion instead of reason, logic, and common sense.

 
Old 07-17-2014, 08:07 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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Gee................... I wanted to break into "Zippedee Doo Dah" from "Song of the South", then I remembered that liberals have banned it and I have forgotten the words.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 08:20 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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A secular America where people are free to believe what ever spirituality they like and co-exist, instead of be forced to be told the nation is a Judeo-Christian nation. Where you can marry who you love, have meaningful museums and landmarks. Not be told how to pray to The Lord and that a church should teach only what you call spirituality, as if there's only one church.

An America that is strong in the global economic game by inventing new technology, being leader in key products and services and then exporting these services abroad, in exchange for receiving foreign goods and services consumers love and enjoy. And educating the public.
Instead of giving money back to wealthy millionaires and cutting the education budget so we just sell ourselves out of every industry and borrow everything from China and then police the world by sending troops everywhere, when we can't even distinguish Czech Republic from Chechnya on a map.

An America that doesn't make a laughing matter out of sea level rising and global temperature increases from greenhouse gas emissions. Not brush it off and continue to pollute our clean air.

An America where poor and lower middle class people have a chance at success, not just a gimmick where big powerful businesses are just Gods and the rest are to thank God those Gods are so generous to give everybody retail jobs because the CEO of mcDonalds is just so altruistic right

An America that values healthcare for people

An America that wants to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots so every child can aspire to be a prominent individual with a prominent voice, not just the Gods of Bill O'Reilley and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin

An America where everyone can walk hand in hand in the sunshine and smile, not fear that this pursuit of happiness is perceived by some short-tempered guy as threatening and that guy can start shooting because he's simply "standing his ground."
It almost sounds sane and it almost sounds true. Twisted is what it really is.

Everybody in America should have a right to worship and live their religion, not just people who have no religion.

I think public education has made America what it is today but the problem today is students are being brainwashed to be politically correct instead of learning the three R's. The reason for this is that the teachers are not allowed to discipline the students. The result is that no one is learning except those in private schools and the government is messing with that now.

I am for clean air and water but the government should not have a right to grab the resources of someone just because they dug a ditch on their own property. IRS or the government has no business looking in my bank account. I built it; they didn't.

Anybody in America can work as hard as they want to and go as far as they want to but this government shouldn't be in any way in charge of the journey. That's called freedom. I don't think you understand freedom and responsibility and accountability.

The only people who need to be concerned about people who stand their ground are criminals and people who do not respect the right of others to own their ground. If you didn't buy it; stay off of it.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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How do you know that more regulations, higher energy cost, and less freedom and fewer choice will improve life?

Oh that is right, it wont.

We are not Mean, We are Honest

We are not Selfish, We are Driven.

We are Not Narcissistic, We are just Focused On Our Lives

We are not Inward Turned, We are just Focused On our Goals, Our Dreams, Our Liberty, Our Culture, Our Nation, Our Future because we do not expect anyone else to be or for anyone else to help us...

We are not a Democracy we are a Constitutional Republic.

Its ok, just morality and emotion instead of reason, logic, and common sense.
How do I know????? It's easy!!!!!! there are many places in this world that are one hell of a lot better places to live and raise your family than the USA.

Without regulations your country would have been a wasteland a long time ago. Your forests would have been long gone, your water poisoned, the air unbreathable. Thousands of products that would surely kill you would be sold to unwitting consummers, your food would be garbage and so on and so on. A person who is against regulations, carte blanche is the biggest ignoramus or the stupidest dupe there is. It has always been clearly illustrated here in Canada when the RWNJs gain power. Cut regulations- people die. That does not matter to the RWNJs as long as it's some one else dying and that speaks to the "Narcissism".

What is it that the RWNJs are driven to do? I'll tell you what the main driver is. The exploitation of anything and everything possible for personal gain. It's GREED incarnate.

Focused on your lives at the expense of everyone else's defines narcissism.

You are most definitely inward turned. If you weren't you would be able to see that your ideas have always been failures, RWNJ ideology exists in a vacuum. It's does not exist in reality.

I agree, the USA no longer resembles a democratic state. It's becoming more and more a corpocracy every day, an evil marriage between big business and big government.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Posts like the OPs make me wonder if the term "intelligent liberal" isn't an oxymoron.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 08:44 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EricS39 View Post
A secular America where people are free to believe what ever spirituality they like and co-exist, instead of be forced to be told the nation is a Judeo-Christian nation. Where you can marry who you love, have meaningful museums and landmarks. Not be told how to pray to The Lord and that a church should teach only what you call spirituality, as if there's only one church.
You aren't being forced to be told the nation is Judeo-Christian. It just is. That's like saying you're being forced to be told that 2+2=4.

You may not be a Christian, but the nation was founded by Protestant Christians who incorporated their values into the culture and laws. That's just history.
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An America that is strong in the global economic game by inventing new technology, being leader in key products and services and then exporting these services abroad, in exchange for receiving foreign goods and services consumers love and enjoy. And educating the public.
Rightwing conservatives don't seem to like inventing new technology, being leaders in key products and services, or having good trade exports? Uh...what? What on Earth gives you that idea? The standard leftist criticism of conservatives is that they are too focused on these things.
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Instead of giving money back to wealthy millionaires and cutting the education budget so we just sell ourselves out of every industry and borrow everything from China and then police the world by sending troops everywhere, when we can't even distinguish Czech Republic from Chechnya on a map.
Well, guess what? 80% of people in education are Democrats. And America spends more money on education now than any other industrialized nation in the world and more money now than it ever has before. So this criticism is just moronic.
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An America that doesn't make a laughing matter out of sea level rising and global temperature increases from greenhouse gas emissions. Not brush it off and continue to pollute our clean air.
Yes, I'm glad that there are people in America who are resisting the climate change nonsense.
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An America where poor and lower middle class people have a chance at success, not just a gimmick where big powerful businesses are just Gods and the rest are to thank God those Gods are so generous to give everybody retail jobs because the CEO of mcDonalds is just so altruistic right
Whereas your version of America is a nation caught in a morass of structurally high unemployment, a huge underclass of unemployable people who exist on the government dole, and a lack of the very innovation you wrote about earlier. News for you: the profit motive is the single greatest motivation for innnovation that has ever existed. But leftist morons want to demonize people who actually do produce valuable goods and services and confiscate the wealth they generate. There's a reason why the vast majority of the world's technological progress was made in America and not in any of the European social democracies.
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An America that values healthcare for people
Yes, the old liberal "either you support Obamacare or your hate sick people". It's baloney. Problems have more than one solution. Just because we don't like the left's idiot solution to healthcare, doesn't mean we don't value healthcare. Amazing as it may seem to you, your solutions to problems are not the only solutions. You'd think people who claim they value diversity would understand that.
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An America that wants to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots so every child can aspire to be a prominent individual with a prominent voice, not just the Gods of Bill O'Reilley and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin
Yes, the wonders of wealth redistribution. Where everyone gets mired in mediocrity. Where people who strive to excel are forced to pay for people who do nothing. But at least those do-nothings vote Democrat.
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An America where everyone can walk hand in hand in the sunshine and smile, not fear that this pursuit of happiness is perceived by some short-tempered guy as threatening and that guy can start shooting because he's simply "standing his ground."
Yes, everyone can walk hand in and and smile. Unless of course you aren't a liberal. Then the left will boycott your business, disrupt your speaking engagements, and use the IRS to shut down your political voice.

Your ignorance of what conservatives want is truly astounding.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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Point out what is "Socialist" in that OP. There is absolutely NOTHING socialist there. It's a wish list of conditions not a word of how to achieve those conditions. Do you know why the RWNJs are truly nut jobs? Without alluding to any ideology at all, right left or neutral, they will almost always be against the idea of generally improved lives for their fellows. They as a group have to be the meanest, most selfish, narcissistic, inward turned bunch of idiots ever spawned in a modern democracy.
The constitution holds one ideology.......man has more power than the government and the representatives in which we place there.

Man (singular) has rights bestowed by the natural orders of things, not to be taken or given by other men.

Taking from one mans intellectual or natural abilities to give to another less fortunate against his will is theft no matter how you slice it.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 09:07 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Taxes are not theft. If you're not an anarchist you'd understand that

We pay a price for living in a civilized society, and we're doing far more right than wrong, as evidenced by being a nation others risk death trying to get into.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 09:14 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Originally Posted by EricS39 View Post
A secular America where people are free to believe what ever spirituality they like and co-exist, instead of be forced to be told the nation is a Judeo-Christian nation. Where you can marry who you love, have meaningful museums and landmarks. Not be told how to pray to The Lord and that a church should teach only what you call spirituality, as if there's only one church.

An America that is strong in the global economic game by inventing new technology, being leader in key products and services and then exporting these services abroad, in exchange for receiving foreign goods and services consumers love and enjoy. And educating the public.
Instead of giving money back to wealthy millionaires and cutting the education budget so we just sell ourselves out of every industry and borrow everything from China and then police the world by sending troops everywhere, when we can't even distinguish Czech Republic from Chechnya on a map.

An America that doesn't make a laughing matter out of sea level rising and global temperature increases from greenhouse gas emissions. Not brush it off and continue to pollute our clean air.

An America where poor and lower middle class people have a chance at success, not just a gimmick where big powerful businesses are just Gods and the rest are to thank God those Gods are so generous to give everybody retail jobs because the CEO of mcDonalds is just so altruistic right

An America that values healthcare for people

An America that wants to bridge the gap between the haves and have nots so every child can aspire to be a prominent individual with a prominent voice, not just the Gods of Bill O'Reilley and Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin

An America where everyone can walk hand in hand in the sunshine and smile, not fear that this pursuit of happiness is perceived by some short-tempered guy as threatening and that guy can start shooting because he's simply "standing his ground."
I get why you don't support the Republicans, but if you believe in these things why would you support the Democratic Party?

Democrats absolutely love Nafta, Cafta & basically any free trade agreement they can get their hands on to export US jobs overseas as part of the "Integrated Global Economy"

Democrats are trying to run this AGW con on the people to make the wealthiest of the 1% much, much wealthier at the poor & middle classes expense.

Democrats promote an education system that fails their children & virtually ensures they will never have economic prosperity. They accept lobbyist money to create regulations that give big corporations every advantage against small business people.

Democrats want to force you to buy health insurance from their cronies in corporate insurance to pay for overpriced medicines & procedures that their corporate partners in big pharma paid them to "regulate", insuring you can't get a fair price & have to use their corporate insurance partners.

We already live in a land where you can walk down the street & not worry about being shot by someone standing their ground. If you attack that person in the middle of the night, break their nose, smash their head into the concrete several times leaving cuts on the back of their head, then you may well get shot. At least I hope you would.
 
Old 07-17-2014, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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How do I know????? It's easy!!!!!! there are many places in this world that are one hell of a lot better places to live and raise your family than the USA.

Hey some people prize liberty above the myth of security.



Without regulations your country would have been a wasteland a long time ago.

Really it has more regulation now then any other and yet it is now a wasteland.

The land regulated out of usage in many cases.

The people regulated into greater have and have nots, choices stripped away in order to appease some voting block or special interest groups.


Your forests would have been long gone,

Really? What about the tree clogged forests that have been burnt to a snider in countless forest fires?
A resource wasted for no reason other then emtionalism of Eco Statist and moronic politicians?.


your water poisoned, the air unbreathable.

Really the Water and Air are cleaner then ever thanks and large to better technology provide by the private sector, any more regulation would cause a massive reduction in the stranded of living via a higher cost of living most Americans simply can not afford.


Thousands of products that would surely kill you would be sold to unwitting consummers your food would be garbage and so on and so on.

And that does not happen now?

What about the long list of medication that is being link to countless medical issues and deaths?

What about the 9,000,000 plus GM cars that are on the road that have a recall order against them?

What about the GMO foods that a being linked to health issues?





A person who is against regulations, carte blanche is the biggest ignoramus or the stupidest dupe there is.

Really so what is a person who supports a massive feel good infrastructure that does not do its job that is claims to be public safety when it is just create to shut down competition of competitors of the companies that bought of those in office?

Less money
Less freedom
Less choice

And we are the dupes?






It has always been clearly illustrated here in Canada when the RWNJs gain power. Cut regulations- people die.

Proof?

How do you know that they would be alive if not for more regulations?






That does not matter to the RWNJs as long as it's some one else dying and that speaks to the "Narcissism".

I does matter, we just dont call for the halt of everyone and everything to appease one or two people..

Is it narcissism to not care or thinking about those who die in plane crashes as we enjoy a plane flight?

Is it narcissism to not care or thinking about those killed in car accidents when we are drive?

Is it narcissism to not care or thinking about those staving in Africa when we are enjoy a great meal?

Is it narcissism to not care or thinking about those who have been killed by criminals when we are at the range blowing though mags?

Is it narcissism to not care or thinking about everyone else and their problems and issues while trying to get ahead in this life?

Is it narcissism to put yourself first?

If it is, How is it?



What is it that the RWNJs are driven to do? I'll tell you what the main driver is. The exploitation of anything and everything possible for personal gain.

How is it "exploitation" to use everything around you to improve your life?

How is it "exploitation" to use your skill and talents to improve your life?

How is it "exploitation" to use the talents and skills of your employees to improve your life and those around you?

How is that exploitation?

Is it wrong to work hard and get ahead?

Is it wrong to reap the fruits of your labor?

Is it wrong to triumph of your will and vision over trials and test of life?

Is it wrong to make something that improves the quality and quantity of life?

If so why?




It's GREED incarnate.

LOL so let me get this straight.

It is greedy to want to get ahead based on work, and merit?

It is greedy to want to be compensated for your skill, labor, and time?

It is greedy to want to a better, smarter, version of yourself from the vindication of your efforts?


If so how and why?

And if so is it NOT greedy to want other to work and provide you with wealth and means without having to work for it?

How is it NOT greedy to want and call for a never ending list of rules and regulations that do not but hold people back from innovation, creativity, and a responsibility?

How is it NOT greedy to want others to have to pay for everything you want and need and not contribute anything or anything close to what you own will demanding others pay their "fair share"?

How is it NOT greedy to want to merely be contempt with who and what they are and to demonize those who choice to be and do more then those who just fine being less then what they could be?

How is that fair




Focused on your lives at the expense of everyone else's defines narcissism.

Is it narcissism to take interest and change of your life? And if so how?

Is it narcissism to fight laws, rules, regulations, and ideologies that do nothing but harm your life, your liberty, your rights, your culture and your future? And if so how?

Is it narcissism to accept the fact that no on else will take change and interest in your life to the same degree as you? And if so how?

Is is narcissism for certain or group to make others focus their lives, their time, their work, their skills, their wealth and the fruits of them on a certain group, yet they said group only care about their own lives, time, work, skills, and wealth?

And if NOT, how and why?




You are most definitely inward turned. If you weren't you would be able to see that your ideas have always been failures, RWNJ ideology exists in a vacuum. It's does not exist in reality.

So it wrong to want to use ones skills, intellect, and God given liberty to make the best go at life that is possible? And if so how and why?

Is it wrong to focus on myself and my life as no one can? And if so how and why?

Really..They failed? So why is it up in the left took power almost 50 years ago things for the most part were O.K?

Tell me for the most part have leftist ideas not crash and burned?

How has the War on Poverty gone?

How is the idea of open borders turning out?

How is the idea of Nanny Statism working out?


Since our ideas are always failures maybe you can list them and we can ripe those lies apart?

Better then again Emtionlism which is the foundation of leftism is based on feeling, not thinking, facts, logic, reason, or reality.


I agree, the USA no longer resembles a democratic state. It's becoming more and more a corpocracy every day, an evil marriage between big business and big government.
And yet Big business is never a problem if the Government and its powers are kept small for the Simpy fact that if government and its powers are well defined and limited they can not used and abused by the highest bidder...
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