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Old 07-18-2014, 12:36 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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You know what they say about someone who starts off with "I'm not lying"
Yes, they say that someone just called them a liar.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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This coverage is for myself only. I have no dependents or spouse.

Please keep in mind that last year (before ACA) my deductible was $5,000; my premium was around $100 per month.

I believe the key to this is my employer paying a significant amount of the yearly premium. Whereas I pay around $2,400 per year, my employer pays $5,100 per year for my insurance.




Aetna Choice® POS II Coverage Period 01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014

Summary of Benefits and Coverage: What this Plan Covers & What it Costs Coverage for Individual + Family Plan Type: POS


What is the overall deductible? For each Calendar Year In-network & Out–of-
Network combined: Individual $1,250 / Family $2,500

Are there other deductibles for specific services? No. There are no other deductibles. You don’t have to meet deductibles for specific services
.
Is there an out-of-pocket limit on my expenses?
Yes. For each Calendar Year In-network & Out–of-
Network combined: Individual $2,500 / Family $5,000

Is there an overall annual limit on what the plan pays?
No. This policy has no overall annual limit on the amount it will pay each year.

Does this plan use a network of providers?
Yes, this plan uses network providers.

Do I need a referral to see a specialist? No. You don't need a referral to see a specialist. You can see the specialist you choose without permission from this plan.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

For Plan Year 2014
Employee Pre-tax Costs (every two weeks) $77.26 (per year) $2,008.80
Employee After-tax Costs $16.41 $426.53

Total Cost $93.67 $2,435.33 (per year)

Total Employer Cost $197.70 $5,140.34
So, not an obamacare plan at all.

Instead, this is employer purchased insurance, whose costs are actually hidden from you.

Funny how every argument a liberal makes is a lie.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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Yes, they say that someone just called them a liar.
After they proved they were.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Why? Why do you want an EMPLOYER to choose it for you?



You want all your decisions made by someone else.
Should I drop my excellent employer-supplied insurance and try to get it myself?

Why would I do that?

Just so I can 'choose it myself'?

My employer offered three different plans; I chose mine all by MYSELF!

And all this time I thought conservatives were so concerned about money!
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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So, not an obamacare plan at all.

Instead, this is employer purchased insurance, whose costs are actually hidden from you.

Funny how every argument a liberal makes is a lie.
Which is why I said 'too bad you work for a sucky employer'!

The employer costs are not hidden. You didn't even take the time to see what I posted.

I am not making any 'argument'.

What I posted is not a lie; I copied it right from the company website, along with my personal premium costs.

What ARE you talking about?!?!?!??!? Put the beer down, it's not the weekend yet! haha
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So, not an obamacare plan at all.

Instead, this is employer purchased insurance, whose costs are actually hidden from you.

Funny how every argument a liberal makes is a lie.
if they are not in a grandfathered plan then all plans are "Obamacare plans" even the private ones because of the HHS mandates.

Premiums went up in private plans due to those mandates.
My company sent us a letter because there are retired, non retired and newly hired and the company has grandfathered pension plans, 401K plans and health insurance plans so we get letters each year about all of them.

New hires got it the worst of all of us. They have no pension, 401K with no more employer match and high health insurance premiums compared to the other groups of workers/retirees.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I will want to come back to this thread AFTER the employer mandates kick in.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Which is why I said 'too bad you work for a sucky employer'!

The employer costs are not hidden. You didn't even take the time to see what I posted.

I am not making any 'argument'.

What I posted is not a lie; I copied it right from the company website, along with my personal premium costs.

What ARE you talking about?!?!?!??!? Put the beer down, it's not the weekend yet! haha
I understand where you are coming from.
You see I had and still have an employer plan.
Costs are not hidden in mine either.

These posters probably never had employer plans and only go by what they read.
They are misinformed to say the least but think they know the "facts".

I have had UnitedHealthCare and now have Aetna like you.
I have a high deductible and low premium. My premium is low enough that the employer pays it. All I have is my co-pay and $5K out of pocket deductible. If I were to switch to a higher premium/lower deductible then I would also have to pay a monthly premium as my employer only pays a flat $$$ towards our premiums.
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Old 07-18-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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No, it did not. Pre-ACA, few plans had more than 5000 deductibles.

It RAISED deductibles AND increased the premiums.
No it did not. The ACA capped the out of pocket expense to $6350 and $12,700 for an individual and family, respectively. Premiums did rise and that is partly due to getting rid of the preexisting condition clause.

Here's a plan that is no longer offered because it is not ACA compliant. The deductible is $10K + 20% coinsurance (up to $3K), and doesn't cover Rx or Dr visits. So, IF you had this plan and needed to go to a hospital for something serious you would pay $13K + Rx + followup visits out of pocket. Under the ACA your max out of pocket is $6350.

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Old 07-18-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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Should I drop my excellent employer-supplied insurance and try to get it myself?
Of course.

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Why would I do that?
To not let other people be in control of your decisions.

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Just so I can 'choose it myself'?
Of course.

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My employer offered three different plans; I chose mine all by MYSELF!
Three options. Ohh, wow, almost like a magician's choice, huh?

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And all this time I thought conservatives were so concerned about money!
Where did I mention money?
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