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It's the times. Patriot Act was a biggie, technology (those pesky TOS's) are too. We haven't LIVED in "these kind of times" before so it's pretty hard to compare Obama to someone from, say, the 1950's when nobody had anything to spy on, or with.
During the debate over the Patriot Act, secret courts, and domestic spying in the aftermath of 9-11, a frequent quote from Benjamin Franklin was bandied about: “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
Many Democrats and liberal opposed the Patriot Act and related legislations and laws, but the Bush Administration and Fox News in particular made those in opposition seem like appeasers to terrorist or unpatriotic. If the Republicans and conservatives who remember those times and are honest with themselves, they know this statement to be true.
The opposition was based not only that our individual freedoms were being eroded, but that as time goes on these powers would gradually expand or be ripe for abuse.
We now kow that NSA has been engaged in massive domestic spying. President Obama has expanded powers and the next president will have even greater powers. Regardless of party affiliation at some point this legislation need to be recinded or as in the case of the Patriot Act allow to expire.
Oh I remember it quite well. I had to have a Patriot Act sign on my desk (worked in financial services). The level of disclosure to the government went absurdly up.
I remember it distinctly and I recall thinking to myself that this was the beginning of something awful in this country.
It was at about this point I vowed to never again tow any party line- I became a staunch independent. This is not about politics any longer. This issue is not about Red or Blue, it's about the Red White and Blue.
It's amazing to watch Liberals (well they're not actually Liberals if they defend this are they?) defend Obama on his invasions of our privacy & lack of transparency. He is the absolute worst President in our history in regards to privacy invasion & transparency, despite billing himself as the opposite (just like his corporate ties/appointees). He's extended the 'Patriot Act', he allowed NSA domestic spying, he's developed a secret kill list of US citizens, we can now indefinitely detain US citizens, his first order of business was giving the security contract in our airports to Bush's boy Michael Chertoff & RapiScan, the company he now pimps so that children & the elderly are being strip searched at our airports, we're still running secret torture prisons, etc. etc.
Every President is an escalation of the previous one, but that's a cop out & everyone knows it. Obama promised to be the one that would reverse the trend & instead has become the worst enemy the people could ever have in terms of stealing our privacy & cloaking what his Admin is doing. It's not even debatable.
Is this some kind of a joke?
This has been the most transparent administration in the history of the world. We know more about our government than than ever, and our government knows more about us than ever. If you want to blame something, blame technology. Also, the government fails in comparison to the private sector in regards to invading privacy these days.
IMO, it's going to reach a point that people will literally have no privacy, due to increases in technology.
Oh I remember it quite well. I had to have a Patriot Act sign on my desk (worked in financial services). The level of disclosure to the government went absurdly up.
I remember it distinctly and I recall thinking to myself that this was the beginning of something awful in this country.
It was at about this point I vowed to never again tow any party line- I became a staunch independent. This is not about politics any longer. This issue is not about Red or Blue, it's about the Red White and Blue.
I wholeheartedly agee with you and others with similar sentiments. Individual freedom and invasive governmental intrusion into our private lives is not, nor should it ever be, a liberal or conservative issue. It is, as you poetically point out, an American issue.
This has been the most transparent administration in the history of the world. We know more about our government than than ever, and our government knows more about us than ever. If you want to blame something, blame technology. Also, the government fails in comparison to the private sector in regards to invading privacy these days.
IMO, it's going to reach a point that people will literally have no privacy, due to increases in technology.
That depends on what laws we enact. A lot of the privacy invasion stuff that happens here in the private sector is illegal in much of Europe.
I wholeheartedly agee with you and others with similar sentiments. Individual freedom and invasive governmental intrusion into our private lives is not, nor should it ever be, a liberal or conservative issue. It is, as you poetically point out, an American issue.
I found it absolutely perverse to wrap that legislation with the term 'Patriot'. I found it even more perverse to call critics 'anti-patriotic'. If anything those who stood against it, warned about it, and cried foul about it are the true bearers of that torch.
It was such an enormous load of BS heaped onto us.
WE do have a right to privacy. The difference is that you sign away your rights in the ToS, just like you did here on C-D. The government doesn't ask if it's okay, and when they TAKE OUR DATA without warrant they are breaking the law.
It's one thing to want a big government that "takes care of everyone" (snark) and quite another to give up all rights and protections believing that people would remain safe from it.
So I can look at the Bill of Rights and find this right to privacy that we have?
We have a sense of privacy and feel we're entitled to it, but don't fool yourself - we don't have a RIGHT to privacy.
If you didnt have a right to privacy then the 4th amendment wouldnt exist
Unreasonable search and seizures =/= right to privacy. It just means we're protected from unreasonable search and seizures.
We have a sense of entitlement when it comes to privacy. Please point out specifically in the Bill of Rights where it says "Americans have a right to privacy". Those exact words.
Unreasonable search and seizures =/= right to privacy. It just means we're protected from unreasonable search and seizures.
We have a sense of entitlement when it comes to privacy. Please point out specifically in the Bill of Rights where it says "Americans have a right to privacy". Those exact words.
Didn't think so.
Really?
So, on what grounds is Roe v Wade constitutional?
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