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If you think of people who are strongly anti-Israel, you get four groups that sometimes but not always overlap:
- Leftists
- anti-Semites
- ant-Westerners
- Muslims and especially Arabs
So while there are definitely some people, including some here, that fit that description it's not necessarily true of everyone and it's not helpful to tar the people who aren't with that brush. Think about it this way: how do you respond to Democrats who accuse fiscally responsible people who want to slash spending because of the debt of racism because there also exist some people who want to slash it because blacks disproportionately use welfare-style programs? Makes you completely dismiss them right? You can't engage with people who criticize Israel for legitimate reasons that aren't based in hating Jews if you apply a blanket accusation of antisemitism towards everyone just because some are.
That is an absurd statement. You do realize that most Jews in America are "leftists" correct? But please don't let the facts get in the way of your own bigotry. The only place you find these stupid assertions are on extremist rightwing web sites that call democrats "leftists". Your user name belies your ability to create fiction.
Present some fact to back up your prejudice, hate and accusations regarding liberals please (with objective sources).
Considering it was because of European anti-semitism that the US had to help set up Israel in the first place you would think they would keep their big traps shut.
I mean they caused the situation and left us holding the bag.
why do arabs have to pay for europes past intollerance towards jews ?
Considering it was because of European anti-semitism that the US had to help set up Israel in the first place you would think they would keep their big traps shut.
I mean they caused the situation and left us holding the bag.
We hold the bag because we wanted to hold the bag. No one forced us into it.
This started out as the British's mess, and it could've been left to them to sort out.
That is an absurd statement. You do realize that most Jews in America are "leftists" correct? But please don't let the facts get in the way of your own bigotry.The only place you find these stupid assertions are on extremist rightwing web sites that call democrats "leftists". Your user name belies your ability to create fiction.
Present some fact to back up your prejudice, hate and accusations regarding liberals please (with objective sources).
You started off fine, and then you had to type the highlighted bs.
Do you think Hannity and the KKK are both the same kind of right wing, just like the Daily Kos does?
why do arabs have to pay for europes past intollerance towards jews ?
Maybe because the Arabs (Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon; Palestine War) attacked them and got their asses handed to them. The treaty created the State of Israel!
Then in 1969 Syria, Egypt and Jordan (with help from Iran, Saudi's, Kuwait, and Algeria) attacked again, and again got their asses handed to them. THAT war gave Israel the expanded lands that people call "occupied"
It would be like saying we are occupying Texas.
The Arabs got exactly what they deserved. If they hadn't fought to wipe out Jews in the first place, there would be no state of Israel.
How stupid is Hamas not to have learned the lesson in 2009? This is an exact repeat of the Gaza war, and this time it's not going to be ending prematurely.
This started out as the British's mess, and it could've been left to them to sort out.
You mean should've. They were obliterated by the Germans and should have never been given an area that they themselves colonized a chopped up for their friends right after WW1. The British supplied the Arabs with weapons after WW2. If anyone should be paying money to the Israelis and Palestinians, it should be the British for creating such a clusterf**k.
You mean should've. They were obliterated by the Germans and should have never been given an area that they themselves colonized a chopped up for their friends right after WW1. The British supplied the Arabs with weapons after WW2. If anyone should be paying money to the Israelis and Palestinians, it should be the British for creating such a clusterf**k.
No argument from me.
I love how so many Americans can't get enough of preaching to us all about what great allies the Brits are when they've gotten us in more crap than than anyone else.
why do arabs have to pay for europes past intollerance towards jews ?
This is exactly right, but there's no putting that toothpaste back in the bottle. The best way forward at this point is to make Israel live within the original UN-designated borders (which is more than generous considering my people really should have been given a "homeland" in Uganda) and make sure that both sides accept this and if either side breaks the agreement that they are punished severely by the international community.
I love how so many Americans can't get enough of preaching to us all about what great allies the Brits are when they've gotten us in more crap than than anyone else.
The Brits have made more than their fair share of mistakes, but I don't think it's right to say that they pulled us into WWII. Beyond that, they have been our strongest/most loyal ally for over a century. And even today, despite the UK having seen better days, is there any other country that we can really call a true ally that brings more to the table than they do?
That is an absurd statement. You do realize that most Jews in America are "leftists" correct? But please don't let the facts get in the way of your own bigotry. The only place you find these stupid assertions are on extremist rightwing web sites that call democrats "leftists". Your user name belies your ability to create fiction.
Present some fact to back up your prejudice, hate and accusations regarding liberals please (with objective sources).
You misunderstand me. I am not saying that all four of those groups are universally anti-Israeli; rather the other direction that people who are anti-Israeli generally fall into one or more of those groups. The point of saying so is not so much for people on your side of the issue, but to people on my own that tarring people who are anti-Israel with the brush of being one of the four is counterproductive because they could be a different one instead -- basically treat people with good faith and don't assume they hold their positions out of hate until they demonstrate that they do, rather than just politics or sense of identity/loyalty.
That a lot of people who dislike Israel hold that view because they are left-wing or are Arab/muslim and feel a sense of identity-politics based loyalty is actually a redeeming thing because the alternatives - which are hate of Jews, white people, or Western civilization - are much worse.
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The only place you find these stupid assertions are on extremist rightwing web sites that call democrats "leftists". Your user name belies your ability to create fiction.