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Old 07-21-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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so, do you still believe this thread is an intentional deflection?
Well, out of respect for you, no.

Do you have the same respect for Harrier?

 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:42 PM
 
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Obama's birthplace was raised by HRC's campaign during the 2008 democratic runoff.
no it wasn't. neither clinton or her campaign ever promoted anything resembling birtherism.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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no it wasn't. neither clinton or her campaign ever promoted anything resembling birtherism.
Yes it was. That's where it first started.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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Do you have the same respect for Harrier?
i've yet to question your motivations.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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Isn't it "odd" that skepticism must be deflected by slurs?
Perhaps the presentation of the bogus "birth certificate" was a bit questionable.
And the sealing of records also raises a question or two, too.
Such actions deserve scrutiny.
But when you cannot dare allow examination of facts, resort to ridicule.
That's my story, and I am sticking by it.
What "facts" do you want to "examine"? The fact that both birth certificates were certified by numerous Hawaiian officials, including several Republican ones? The fact that everyone's school records--yes, even yours--are sealed by law? What other facts do you feel need to be "examined" before you will believe that the president is legitimate?

More importantly, how many of these demands did you make of all the presidents that came before him? The answer is none.

Why might that be?
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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Yes it was. That's where it first started.
then please link to it.

as far as the actual beginnings of birtherism see:

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers

Barackryphal: Secret Origin, Part 2
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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That is sad. But I remember Rasmussen's polls being dubbed as unreliable GOP propaganda, but their polls have been the kindest on Obama's underwater job approval rating.
 
Old 07-21-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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Perhaps the presentation of the bogus "birth certificate"....
the claim that the long form birth certificate (LFBC) is bogus has come from incompetent amateurs. the facts of obama's birt have been supported by statements from HI state officials under 2 separate administrations, the 1961 birth index ( open to the public ) and contemporaneous birth announcements.

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And the sealing of records also raises a question or two, too.
not if you have any understanding of FERPA and HIPAA laws ( none of his personal records have been "sealed").

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Such actions deserve scrutiny.
what action?
 
Old 07-21-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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no it wasn't. neither clinton or her campaign ever promoted anything resembling birtherism.

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton - Telegraph
 
Old 07-21-2014, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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41% birther
20% "not sure"

according to the rasmussen poll, not me.
To be fair, your typical right-winger wouldn't know his butt from his elbow.
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