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That's spin city Ken. Those estimates in 2012 assumed the entire law would be enacted as it was passed. Since then it's been stripped down by everything from the SCOTUS to H&HS to Obama himself. That's the only reason cost have dropped. In fact CBO won't even try to make an accurate assessment anymore because of those reasons.
SCOTUS stripped it because of the constitution, H&HS stripped it because of funding (CLASS) and Obama stripped it because of his weak knees and a bunch of whiny democrats complaining about having to actually explain to people why they suck so bad during vote gathering season.
WRONG!
The CBO projections go out for a decade or more - by which time the delays will have long been over.
Funny how the "CBO won't even try to make an accurate assessment" - and yet they JUST DID.
"smack:
You are just flailing around looking for some reason to invalidate the CBO projections.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 07-24-2014 at 11:36 PM..
Not a chance.
Over 6 million have signed up on the Federal and State exchanges. Last I heard, the insurance companies reported that 85% had already paid their 1st premium (that percentage is probably even higher now).
In addition, 7 million people have been added the Medicaid rolls as a result of Obamacare.
The total: nearly 13 million - well over the 10 million I quoted.
"...both the federal and state insurance exchanges and the expansion of the federal Medicaid program under the law, the CBO projects more than 12 million people now have insurance who wouldn't have normally been covered in the absence of the law. The CBO also projects 19 million people will gain coverage by 2015, 25 million more by 2016, and 26 million more by 2026.
In 2014, according to the CBO, about 6 million people gained insurance from the exchanges and close to 7 million people benefitted from the Medicaid expansion. Those gains reduced the number of uninsured in the U.S. to 42 million —16% of the population. By 2024, the CBO projects, about 89% of U.S. residents will have health insurance...."
So even IF the Supreme Court rules against the Federal Exchange (I doubt the case will even get to the Supreme Court) that doesn't mean the end of Obamacare. There are several cheap workarounds to such a court decision.''
Obamacare is here to stay - no ifs, no ands, no buts.
Its a large law that was passed with the assumption that fixes would have to be made along the way. What they didn't realize was that if this was a car Republicans would refuse to change the oil...ever. Or do any sort of maintenance. Now they're screaming that the engine is making a light knocking noise, and they TOLD you this was a bad car to buy.
Hey did you know most large bills like this normally have other laws passed to help manage them as you learn things?
Or that this one is a particularly childish argument about whether federally created exchanges should act like the state ones in their subsidies?
I have a car analogy.
The ACA would be like taking a bunch of nuts and bolts and sheet metal, setting it all on a conveyor, line up a bunch of random people with no knowledge or training to start putting the pieces together, and hoping that some sort of automobile comes out on the other end.
In the meantime, you still have to be able to use this car to commute even while it's being built.
Not a chance.
Over 6 million have signed up on the Federal and State exchanges. Last I heard, the insurance companies reported that 85% had already paid their 1st premium (that percentage is probably even higher now).
In addition, 7 million people have been added the Medicaid rolls as a result of Obamacare.
The total: nearly 13 million - well over the 10 million I quoted.
"...both the federal and state insurance exchanges and the expansion of the federal Medicaid program under the law, the CBO projects more than 12 million people now have insurance who wouldn't have normally been covered in the absence of the law. The CBO also projects 19 million people will gain coverage by 2015, 25 million more by 2016, and 26 million more by 2026.
In 2014, according to the CBO, about 6 million people gained insurance from the exchanges and close to 7 million people benefitted from the Medicaid expansion. Those gains reduced the number of uninsured in the U.S. to 42 million —16% of the population. By 2024, the CBO projects, about 89% of U.S. residents will have health insurance...."
Thank goodness for the 'newly insured' numbers that the Supreme Court rewrote the unconstitutional Medicaid expansion provision of the ACA. More than half of the 'newly insured' are in Medicaid. I don't blame you for the whackiness of calling Medicaid 'insurance,' The CBO and others do it, even though it makes as much sense as calling Food Stamps, Food Insurance or Section 8, Housing Insurance..
Thank goodness for the 'newly insured' numbers that the Supreme Court rewrote the unconstitutional Medicaid expansion provision of the ACA. More than half of the 'newly insured' are in Medicaid. I don't blame you for the whackiness of calling Medicaid 'insurance,' The CBO and others do it, even though it makes as much sense as calling Food Stamps, Food Insurance or Section 8, Housing Insurance..
Medicaid IS insurance - and though private insurance companies no less. It's just Federally subsidized - same as the Federal government subsidizes farm insurance and flood insurance and now the insurance on the Federal and State Obamacare exchanges. ALL those programs go through PRIVATE INSURANCE. Personally I wish it didn't but it does.
Ken
Last edited by LordBalfor; 07-25-2014 at 06:21 AM..
"...By contrast, because Congress thought that some States might decline federal funding for the operation of a “health benefit exchange,” Congress provided a backup scheme; if a State declines to participate in the operation of an exchange, the Federal Government will step inand operate an exchange in that State....
...That system of incentives collapses if the federal subsidiesare invalidated. Without the federal subsidies, individ- uals would lose the main incentive to purchase insurance inside the exchanges, and some insurers may be unwilling to offer insurance inside of exchanges. With fewer buyersand even fewer sellers, the exchanges would not operate as Congress intended and may not operate at all...."
And this is from the DISSENTING OPINION of the 2012 Obamacare decision by the Supreme Court - you know? - SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO - the folks who voted to STRIKE DOWN Obamacare. Even THEY seem to accept the fact that the ACA law provides for a Federally-run exchange.
So much for the idea that the SCOTUS will rule that a Federally-run exchange is not part of the ACA.
Seems like even the Supreme Court judges who the wingnuts are counting on to shoot down the Federal exchange have ALREADY accepted that the Federal exchange IS part of the law.
Remember, these are the 4 judges who DIDN'T LIKE Obamacare - and even THEY accepted the fact that the Federal exchange is part of the law - and now the wingnuts are expecting those SAME JUDGES - PLUS THOSE WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE LAW back in 2012 to now claim that the Federal exchange is NOT part of the law????????
Not a chance.
Over 6 million have signed up on the Federal and State exchanges. Last I heard, the insurance companies reported that 85% had already paid their 1st premium (that percentage is probably even higher now).
In addition, 7 million people have been added the Medicaid rolls as a result of Obamacare.
The total: nearly 13 million - well over the 10 million I quoted.
"...both the federal and state insurance exchanges and the expansion of the federal Medicaid program under the law, the CBO projects more than 12 million people now have insurance who wouldn't have normally been covered in the absence of the law. The CBO also projects 19 million people will gain coverage by 2015, 25 million more by 2016, and 26 million more by 2026.
In 2014, according to the CBO, about 6 million people gained insurance from the exchanges and close to 7 million people benefitted from the Medicaid expansion. Those gains reduced the number of uninsured in the U.S. to 42 million —16% of the population. By 2024, the CBO projects, about 89% of U.S. residents will have health insurance...."
So not only is chronology not your thing you also have a hard time understanding what the consequences are of the GAO creating 12 fictitious characters and having 11 of them receive subsidies and health insurance.
That's right, 11 imaginary people out of 12. That's 91.6% Ken. What that tells us is there's not a chance in hell that anyone has any clue how many people are actually signed up. There's absolutely no checks and balances and they're signing up tomato plants and rocks for all we know.
Take 5 minutes to read the GAO report from July 23rd if you have the guts to put your partisan hat down for a few minutes.
Last edited by BigJon3475; 07-25-2014 at 06:33 AM..
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