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Old 07-24-2014, 07:06 AM
 
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It's also strange that the ExIm has become a Tea Party Republicans bugaboo. It helps our exports, is self supporting and actually makes money for the Treasury through fees. It's a shining example of the government filling a need that the private sector can't meet and doing it effectively and efficiently. Which I guess in their minds it doesn't fit the narrative that government can't do anything right so it must be the is the worst thing ever.


That speaks volumes about how far right the politics of this country have drifted. Here we have a Reagan supporter that is accused of being the lobbyist lib to ever lib a lib. We are through the looking glass.
Well I really do not believe we have drifted far right or far left. Our politics have drifted too far in favor of the elites. Right or left really is not the issue anymore as both Republicans and Democrats have increased the class gap in this country.
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:12 AM
 
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Well I really do not believe we have drifted far right or far left. Our politics have drifted too far in favor of the elites. Right or left really is not the issue anymore as both Republicans and Democrats have increased the class gap in this country.
We can agree on that. Other than a few key social issues both parties have shifted pretty far right, especially in the last 20 years. Compared to other developed countries Democrats are pretty far right and there isn't an equivalent to the Republicans in a mainstream party in other rich countries.
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Old 07-24-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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We can agree on that. Other than a few key social issues both parties have shifted pretty far right, especially in the last 20 years. Compared to other developed countries Democrats are pretty far right and there isn't an equivalent to the Republicans in a mainstream party in other rich countries.
Agreed about the social issues. Though it is nice to see marijuana on its way to legalization.

There is no religious right in most other first world nations. And both Democrats and Republicans need to appeal to that sect in order to get elected in middle America and the South.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Elizabeth Warren was a Reagan supporter. Do we need more information?
Nope I know what you mean Hillary use to be a Goldwater girl, talk about strange bed fellows.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:48 AM
 
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Big Business: Lapdog of the Left | RealClearPolitics

Excellent column by Jonah Goldberg on how Elizabeth Warren turned down an invitation to speak out against the federal 'Ex-Im' bank, which provides corporate welfare for large corporations such as Boeing.

Ex-Im is a program of the federal gov't created under FDR, and is up for authorization in Sept. 2014. Some right wingers at Heritage thought that they might be able to create a left-right alliance against this corporate welfare. This is something I have waited to see for a long time. People like Ralph Nader on the left and Sarah Palin on the right have both been eloquent in opposition to corporate welfare and corporatism, so why can't an alliance be formed?

Warren turned down the invitation. It turns out that she supports the Ex-Im bank. Goldberg explains why there will probably never be a real alliance between left and right on corporatism.
These progressive libs talk a good game when running for election, but they nothing but corrupt corporatists. Just look at 0bama, he talked a good game and turns out to be the most ubiquitous crony capitalist we've ever seen in this country.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:53 AM
 
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Agreed about the social issues. Though it is nice to see marijuana on its way to legalization.

There is no religious right in most other first world nations. And both Democrats and Republicans need to appeal to that sect in order to get elected in middle America and the South.
Religion is a local issue, keep it that way by not threatening to use the power of the federal government to force your views on religion onto the entire nation. Keep marriage, education, abortion, birth control, even innocuous things like grade school plays, keep them local, no federal meddling.
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Why would we want to get rid of the ExIm Bank?

http://www.exim.gov/newsandevents/th...ex-im-bank.cfm

Over the last five years, Ex-Im Bank...
-Supported 1.2 million American jobs
-Generated $2 billion for U.S. taxpayers
-Costs the U.S. taxpayer $0
-Financed exports with a value exceeding more than $188 billion
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:13 AM
 
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Why would we want to get rid of the ExIm Bank?

http://www.exim.gov/newsandevents/th...ex-im-bank.cfm

Over the last five years, Ex-Im Bank...
-Supported 1.2 million American jobs
-Generated $2 billion for U.S. taxpayers
-Costs the U.S. taxpayer $0
-Financed exports with a value exceeding more than $188 billion
Because it works. A functioning, successful government program is anathema to far-right ideologues who's sole purpose in running for office is to make government as ineffective as possible.
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Old 07-24-2014, 09:51 AM
 
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Because it works. A functioning, successful government program is anathema to far-right ideologues who's sole purpose in running for office is to make government as ineffective as possible.
A few months ago we were told that the VA works and was a shining example of how well Obamacare was going to work.
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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It's also strange that the ExIm has become a Tea Party Republicans bugaboo. It helps our exports, is self supporting and actually makes money for the Treasury through fees...

To say that Ex-Im is self-supporting is a half-truth, AKA a lie. Ex-Im works similar to co-signing a loan for your kid's first car. If the kid makes all the payments, it costs you nothing. However, notice that it would affect your credit rating, and if you wanted to take out a loan for yourself, could cost you via a higher interest rate. And we all know how the federal gov't takes out loans .

If your kid fails to make his car payments, then your decision to co-sign certainly will cost you. You are on the hook for whatever the kid owes. It's the same with Ex-Im. A few years ago the island of Nauru used an Ex-Im loan to buy a Boeing jet, and then defaulted on the loan. In 2005 Ex-Im had to repo the jet, and sold it at auction. The US taxpayer was stuck paying off the loan.
US set to repossess Nauru aircraft - Breaking News - World - Breaking News
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That speaks volumes about how far right the politics of this country have drifted. Here we have a Reagan supporter that is accused of being the lobbyist lib to ever lib a lib. We are through the looking glass.
What does 'lobbyist lib to ever lib a lib' even mean? Either it is a PUI, or you're right, we are through the looking glass.

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