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Very simple. Stop instigating, stop building illegal settlements, stop lying, stop withholding information, stop killing children, get themselves to the peace table...
I don't know what the legality of the settlements are, but I don't think anyone is disputing that the military action by Israel was started by Hamas firing hundreds (now thousands) of rockets into Israel.
Israel has a long history of negotiating peace deals with hostile nations, and has been working for decades on deals over Gaza, only to have Hamas instigate terror attacks after deals have been made. I don't think anyone is disputing that Hamas is the one preventing a peace deal.
So, if you can't work out a peace deal after decades of trying, how is Israel supposed to stop the terror attacks from Hamas?
I asked the people that are condemning Israel, how should Israel should resolve this issue. Nobody answered the question. It seems people don't want a solution to this conflict, they just want to criticize Israel, and Christians.
I myself heard the leader of Hamas state in an interview that they do not want peace with Israel. Nothing is clearer than that.
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Very simple. Stop instigating, stop building illegal settlements, stop lying, stop withholding information, stop killing children, get themselves to the peace table...
Er...what peace table? Israel by itself? for what purpose? Hamas does not want peace. They have said so.
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Today there were 2 terrorist attacks in Jerusalem by Palestinians against Israelis. So it is obviously that it is Palestinians who are not interested in a peaceful existence with Israel.
That is correct. The Palestinians have been subjugated by Hamas and no longer have a say in the matter.
Hamas is not a legal entity, but a terrorist organization that has taken over, using the Palestinians as pawns.
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The endgame for Hamas is the destruction of the State of Israel by whatever means possible.
I don't know what the legality of the settlements are
They are illegal.
If you are not aware that Israel is violating international law by building these settlements, why are you talking about this topic at all? You don't even have the most basic bit of information.
Israel's occupation of the West Bank is illegal.
Israel is ALSO occupying Gaza, although not in the same way. Israel has an air and naval blockade of Gaza, will not permit them an airport, controls their water and electricity, and limits everything that comes in. Israel even prohibited construction materials from entering Gaza.
Israel is ALSO occupying Gaza, although not in the same way. Israel has an air and naval blockade of Gaza, will not permit them an airport, controls their water and electricity, and limits everything that comes in. Israel even prohibited construction materials from entering Gaza.
And Israel supplied money and construction materials for the population, materials which Hamas used to build tunnels instead.
Israel is ALSO occupying Gaza, although not in the same way. Israel has an air and naval blockade of Gaza, will not permit them an airport, controls their water and electricity, and limits everything that comes in. Israel even prohibited construction materials from entering Gaza.
And Israel supplied money and construction materials for the population, materials which Hamas used to build tunnels instead.
If the world condemned the aggressor, Hamas, the way they criticize Israel, and cut its money and military supply lines, maybe Hamas could be curbed or subdued. As it is, they are only emboldened with support from all but the few Arab nations that actually support Israel.
Hamas does not speak for the people of Gaza just as the atrocious actions of The US Government in the past and present do NOT speak for me.
I don't know how many times this needs to be stated; Killing innocent citizens for the actions of a corrupt Government is an International War Crime and just plain evil.
The whole world recognizes what Israel is doing as blatant war crimes except for the US....SAD!
If you are not aware that Israel is violating international law by building these settlements, why are you talking about this topic at all? You don't even have the most basic bit of information.
Israel's occupation of the West Bank is illegal.
Israel is ALSO occupying Gaza, although not in the same way. Israel has an air and naval blockade of Gaza, will not permit them an airport, controls their water and electricity, and limits everything that comes in. Israel even prohibited construction materials from entering Gaza.
International law? Oh that's rich ~ would that be the same international law that obligates only one side to adhere while a recognized terrorist organization declared as such by that same International community is given legitimacy to operate on behalf of so-called Palestinians?
Since when does International Law only apply to those who recognize it? Hamas is following International law by digging tunnels underneath hospital basements to hide weapons and leadership?
Your decision to apply International Law to only the side defending itself from decades long attacks by terrorists is prejudicial in the extreme.
Territory won in battle does not necessarily go back to the protagonists who started the fracas simply because the International community says it should. Gaza exists today because Israel agreed to it's existence as part of a deal to gain peace. As soon as Hamas co-opted the leadership of the so-called Palestinian people and again used Gaza as a launching pad for terrorism against Israel, any legalities associated with Gaza went out the freak'n window.
International law? Oh that's rich ~ would that be the same international law that obligates only one side to adhere while a recognized terrorist organization declared as such by that same International community is given legitimacy to operate on behalf of so-called Palestinians?
Since when does International Law only apply to those who recognize it? Hamas is following International law by digging tunnels underneath hospital basements to hide weapons and leadership?
Your decision to apply International Law to only the side defending itself from decades long attacks by terrorists is prejudicial in the extreme.
Territory won in battle does not necessarily go back to the protagonists who started the fracas simply because the International community says it should. Gaza exists today because Israel agreed to it's existence as part of a deal to gain peace. As soon as Hamas co-opted the leadership of the so-called Palestinian people and again used Gaza as a launching pad for terrorism against Israel, any legalities associated with Gaza went out the freak'n window.
I don't think we can have a productive conversation when you use the term "so-called Palestinians." This suggests that you don't consider Palestinians legitimate period, so we don't start with any facts in common. Why debate if you do not have the same set of facts?
Here's what I think the end game is: Israel is going to end up with an apartheid state, then eventually will have to accept Palestinians as citizens of Israel, then Israel will no longer be a Jewish state. This is the path Israel is choosing by not facilitating the creation of a Palestinian state. It might take decades or even a hundred years, but honestly, it's not an outcome that bothers me because I am not invested in the idea of Israel as a Jewish state. If you are someone who believes that Israel should be a Jewish state, you should be VERY concerned about what Israel is doing.
Hamas does not speak for the people of Gaza just as the atrocious actions of The US Government in the past and present do NOT speak for me.
I don't know how many times this needs to be stated; Killing innocent citizens for the actions of a corrupt Government is an International War Crime and just plain evil.
The whole world recognizes what Israel is doing as blatant war crimes except for the US....SAD!
Wrong again! Yet again you ascribe the "whole world" to lend legitimacy to an opinion held by some prematurely to all facts being known.
The whole world is waiting until some semblance of reason returns to the region whereby legitimate impartial reportage unaffected by Hamas threats can resume to give the "whole world" the facts it needs to make decisions, unlike yourself who rush to judgment based upon influenced media under threat of harm by Hamas who have no compunctions against killing of their own people let alone a reporter who might stray from their carefully doctored script.
Any reporter not following Hamas rules would find himself summarily executed and his body placed carefully for display in the latest Israeli air-strike zone to be depicted as just another collateral casualty.
How silly do you have to be to lend any credence to reportage coming out of Gaza when the area is controlled by a recognized terrorist org.? All reporters of non-arab nations will be accompanied everywhere by Hamas minders with all of their reporting carefully monitored and scripted.
Wrong again! Yet again you ascribe the "whole world" to lend legitimacy to an opinion held by some prematurely to all facts being known.
The whole world is waiting until some semblance of reason returns to the region whereby legitimate impartial reportage unaffected by Hamas threats can resume to give the "whole world" the facts it needs to make decisions, unlike yourself who rush to judgment based upon influenced media under threat of harm by Hamas who have no compunctions against killing of their own people let alone a reporter who might stray from their carefully doctored script.
Any reporter not following Hamas rules would find himself summarily executed and his body placed carefully for display in the latest Israeli air-strike zone to be depicted as just another collateral casualty.
How silly do you have to be to lend any credence to reportage coming out of Gaza when the area is controlled by a recognized terrorist org.? All reporters of non-arab nations will be accompanied everywhere by Hamas minders with all of their reporting carefully monitored and scripted.
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