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Old 08-03-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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An unusually uncharacteristic dismissal of Obama's anti-role on Iraq with some dire predictions at the end.

I wouldn't call it uncharacteristic for Frontline, They do a very good job of presenting all the facts that aren't tinged with bias, you can tell there is a lot of research that goes into one of those shows. If only all new agencies operated the way they do. It is by far the best news magazine on TV.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:21 PM
 
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I think we need a real challenge... Let's go after Iran next, kay?
This is no joke, you now have an extremist organization in control of very large parts of land many of whom have western passports. This is Al Qaeda 2.0. You know those discussions about missed opportunities with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda during Clinton's presidency and early on during the Bush administration? We are going to be having them again in the future.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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Frontline is the last bastion of good journalism. That much is true.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:53 PM
 
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This is no joke, you now have an extremist organization in control of very large parts of land many of whom have western passports. This is Al Qaeda 2.0. You know those discussions about missed opportunities with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda during Clinton's presidency and early on during the Bush administration? We are going to be having them again in the future.
In the video they call them AQ 6.0.

More resources, better organized, more radical, etc.

I agree with Frontline being a good news program. I was being facetious.

It was an attempt to try to get people to actually look into what's going on over there. People would rather dismiss it and ignore what's going on or act like those people didn't exist before the Iraq War.

They also seem to want to ignore ISIS goal of basically destroying Obama's ME program.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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I think we need a real challenge... Let's go after Iran next, kay?
Mkay! What do they have? Nukes? Bio? Poor peasants we can bomb the ever living sh*t out of?
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:55 PM
 
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Why do conservatives want us to go back into Iraq?
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:07 PM
 
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Why do conservatives want us to go back into Iraq?
What happened when there was a vacuum in Afghanistan?

Iraq is a lost cause but it didn't have to be. Now all of the money and lives are simply gone with pretty much nothing to show for it except AQ 6.0 (ISIS) running rampant through the country gathering up resources and capital.

IDK, what could possibly go wrong?
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Old 08-03-2014, 09:09 PM
 
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I wouldn't call it uncharacteristic for Frontline, They do a very good job of presenting all the facts that aren't tinged with bias, you can tell there is a lot of research that goes into one of those shows. If only all new agencies operated the way they do. It is by far the best news magazine on TV.
I didn't think I would ever agree with you, but I do on this. Frontline is the premier investigative journalism program on television today. It is so well produced that no matter ones interest in their programs subject, it will be enlightening and interesting to watch.

I've thus far watched the first 45 minutes of Losing Iraq and it has not disappointed. And as previously noted, Iraq was lost once we broke it, and that happened during the Shock and Awe nonsense that was to be followed by us being "greeted as liberators".

The criminals who lied us into that disaster should be tried at the Hague.
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Old 08-03-2014, 10:11 PM
 
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I've thus far watched the first 45 minutes of Losing Iraq and it has not disappointed. And as previously noted, Iraq was lost once we broke it, and that happened during the Shock and Awe nonsense that was to be followed by us being "greeted as liberators".
Shock and awe is a specific military stategy that came about becsue of the Vietnam war. In a nutshell you are going to use overwhelming force, you throw everything at them all at once. It worked very well, it's what happened afterward that is the issue.

We can ague about whether it was justified forever but what is done is done. What is of importance now is the missteps of the Obama administration that led to an extremist terrorist organization being able to control large chunks of land that Americans bled for .


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I've thus far watched the first 45 minutes of Losing Iraq
It's not surprising you turned it off when they started discussing Obama's involvement.
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Old 08-03-2014, 10:26 PM
 
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This is no joke, you now have an extremist organization in control of very large parts of land many of whom have western passports. This is Al Qaeda 2.0. You know those discussions about missed opportunities with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda during Clinton's presidency and early on during the Bush administration? We are going to be having them again in the future.
So what do we do?

Because if we do nothing we have wasted a decade in time, and so many thousands of lives, and so many trillions of dollars, and the terrorists will have won.

Now then, are we willing to engage in war without end in the Middle East?
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