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View Poll Results: Should we stop sending people/aid to Ebola infected nations?
Yes 92 42.59%
No 95 43.98%
Other 17 7.87%
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Old 10-09-2014, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It is the most serious outbreak ever. But let's get some perspective on it.

Liberia has a population of 4.294 MILLION people. 3,024 people have been infected (infected, they didn't all die). The majority of the people there are healthy and uninfected.

Sierra Leone has a population of 6.092 MILLION people. 2,789 people have been infected (infected, not died). The majority of the people there are healthy and uninfected.

Guinea has a population of 11.75 MILLION people. 1,298 people have been infected (infected, not died). The majority of the people there are healthy and uninfected.

Nigeria has a population of 173.6 MILLION people. 20 people have been infected (infected, not died).

It's a scary disease. Even scarier in countries without the resources to deal with it. But we're talking about almost 200 MILLION people in the region, and only 8,033 cases.

Fear is the mind-killer.

2014 Ebola Outbreak in West Africa - Case Counts | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC
It's more than just "numbers" though.
Both the CDC and the WHO have voiced concerns over this with regards to mutation.
The longer a virus stays in a foreign host the greater the chance of it mutating to adapt to that foreign host.
And humans are foreign hosts to the Ebola virus.

Now they didn't give any numbers regarding the chance but they have voiced their concerns about this possibility.

 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:09 AM
 
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I have to hand it to you, you seem to be a very trusting person.
I didn't say I trust what "They" are saying*, I was referring to your habit of outright misrepresenting what "They" said.


*although I do - not based on "trust" however, but on knowledge.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Does the Federal Government have the right to limit awards for damages, under extreme or other circumstances?
I don't know what the USG can and cannot do. But Ebola has a less than 50% survival rate.
Let one family sue and win over a virus where the odds are against you living and think what any future deaths will produce.

Duncan was Black, poor and had no insurance.
That's what caused his death, not Ebola. Because we had a track record of 100% recovery for the "White" patients.

That is what I'm reading today and that is the meme that is playing out.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: DFW
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This needs to be repeated. Not only did that delay any kind of treatment, but it also put many more people at risk.
It needs to be repeated that we don't know how much he denied his exposure or lied to the nurse about his history.

I don't believe the man is innocent. The people he exposed should file a suit against his estate.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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It's not so simple. If we sever connections with Africa today, what happens tomorrow? We are already losing trade advantages to the Chinese and to Russia....
First case that pops up in these countries will cause them to shut down the people who travel to these infected countries.

We are also not talking all of Africa but only the 2-3 most infected countries.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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Airport Ebola Screens Hampered by Dormant Virus, Tylenol - Businessweek

the fever check probably wouldn't have stopped Duncan from coming in. he wouldn't have even had to take Tylenol yet.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:21 AM
 
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It's more than just "numbers" though.
Both the CDC and the WHO have voiced concerns over this with regards to mutation.
The longer a virus stays in a foreign host the greater the chance of it mutating to adapt to that foreign host.
And humans are foreign hosts to the Ebola virus.

Now they didn't give any numbers regarding the chance but they have voiced their concerns about this possibility.
Mutation is always a possibility. But that doesn't mean that mutations will necessarily make the virus more deadly, or more communicable. Mutations can go either way. And in terms of adapting to a host, a virus that is less deadly, or that kills more slowly, is a mutation with the advantage, because it gives the virus a longer life expectancy.

So mutation is a concern. But the simple fact is that Ebola is not the flu. The flu infects so many more people, it has a much greater chance of mutating. 8,033 cases, as opposed to millions of cases, means mutations are less likely, and the mortality rate of Ebola versus the flu, makes the mutations even less likely than the flu.

Will Ebola mutate? Very possibly.

Will Ebola mutate into a more deadly strain? Possible, but if so, it becomes even easier to contain.

Will Ebola mutate into a less deadly strain? Also possible.

And in the meantime, 200 MILLION people in the affected countries. 8033 cases of Ebola, and less than half of those cases resulted in death.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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The "err on the side of caution" fix you are advocating causes harm. Restricting international air travel has implications that go beyond Ebola. There are diplomatic and economic impacts that you are blithely dismissing.
Governments are erring on the side of caution in all areas except travel if you haven't noticed.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:23 AM
 
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First case that pops up in these countries will cause them to shut down the people who travel to these infected countries.

We are also not talking all of Africa but only the 2-3 most infected countries.
I'm not the one who used the phrase "sever connections with Africa". So evidently some of you are talking about all of Africa. And even so, the VAST majority of people living in the 2-3 most infected countries are healthy and not infected with EBOLA. MILLIONS of people live in these countries. 8,000 people infected, less than half have died.
 
Old 10-09-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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Governments are erring on the side of caution in all areas except travel if you haven't noticed.
I can go along with different "errs of caution" which don't impact have a diplomatic and economic impact.
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