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View Poll Results: Should we stop sending people/aid to Ebola infected nations?
Yes 92 42.59%
No 95 43.98%
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Old 10-02-2014, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Ebola is not "beyond" health insurance. Insured people would be covered. It is basic life support, replacement of blood and lost fluids. The sorry state of Texas' insurance coverage could become a major factor. If, as you say, there is a large Liberian community in the area this man visited and Ebola gets loose, people who lack any kind of coverage are going to wait until symptoms are severe before going in for treatment. If they were covered under Medicaid they would be more likely to seek early treatment and not dismiss it as something they ate for fear of being hounded by debt collectors. By then, they will have spread it to others. Ebola is likely to spread among the poor and the uninsured first, but inevitably, it will get to the rest of us. We can't afford to be turning people away from medical care or delaying their decisions to seek it because of inability to pay. The chickens come home to roost as they say.
Refugees qualify for all social welfare benefits.
That means they get medicaid.

Unbelievable that this has turned into an "Obamacare vs Texas" issue.

The man was an international traveler, not a US citizen.
Do you think he had insurance coming from Liberia..a third world country ?

Texas had to just issue a legal order for the family to stay home, not to go out and not to let visitors in their home.

And now folks jumping on this bandwagon of "he got refused because he had no insurance".

 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Refugees qualify for all social welfare benefits.
That means they get medicaid.

Unbelievable that this has turned into an "Obamacare vs Texas" issue.

The man was an international traveler, not a US citizen.
Do you think he had insurance coming from Liberia..a third world country ?

Texas had to just issue a legal order for the family to stay home, not to go out and not to let visitors in their home.

And now folks jumping on this bandwagon of "he got refused because he had no insurance".
Texas is the new Nigeria. In many ways Texas (and to be fair, my own state) is a lot like the third world: you have vast pockets of poverty among enormous clusters of wealth. The poor lack adequate health care alternatives. There are great hospitals and excellent care for those who can afford it. But those who can't delay seeking treatment and risk the community health. This is the kind of climate where things like Ebola get out of hand. If some other people come down with this disease, the US is going to be in serious trouble. Hopefully it ends with Duncan and we sit back and think of the ticking time bomb we have created with our pay to play health system.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Texas is the new Nigeria. In many ways Texas (and to be fair, my own state) is a lot like the third world: you have vast pockets of poverty among enormous clusters of wealth. The poor lack adequate health care alternatives. There are great hospitals and excellent care for those who can afford it. But those who can't delay seeking treatment and risk the community health. This is the kind of climate where things like Ebola get out of hand. If some other people come down with this disease, the US is going to be in serious trouble. Hopefully it ends with Duncan and we sit back and think of the ticking time bomb we have created with our pay to play health system.
Much of that has to do with customs.

Why did Texas have to issue a legal order to keep the family self-quanantined ?
That should scare you more.
There's a community of 10,000 Liberians with most of them refugees.


Texas is the new Mexico, not Nigeria as Mexicans outnumber all others.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:33 AM
 
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Ebola is not "beyond" health insurance. Insured people would be covered. It is basic life support, replacement of blood and lost fluids. The sorry state of Texas' insurance coverage could become a major factor. If, as you say, there is a large Liberian community in the area this man visited and Ebola gets loose, people who lack any kind of coverage are going to wait until symptoms are severe before going in for treatment. If they were covered under Medicaid they would be more likely to seek early treatment and not dismiss it as something they ate for fear of being hounded by debt collectors. By then, they will have spread it to others. Ebola is likely to spread among the poor and the uninsured first, but inevitably, it will get to the rest of us. We can't afford to be turning people away from medical care or delaying their decisions to seek it because of inability to pay. Given that half of the state of Texas is uninsured, this is likely to spread quickly. The chickens come home to roost as they say.
This is what I was getting at, but you said it so much better.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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Refugees qualify for all social welfare benefits.
That means they get medicaid.
Texas Refugee Resettlement Program:

"Medical assistance is restricted to those who are eligible for refugee services for eight months or less."

Refugee Resettlement Program

Admittedly that is somewhat ambiguous language.

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The man was an international traveler, not a US citizen.
Do you think he had insurance coming from Liberia..a third world country ?
If this was Europe, there would have been no question about insurance.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Texas Refugee Resettlement Program:

"Medical assistance is restricted to those who are eligible for refugee services for eight months or less."

Refugee Resettlement Program

Admittedly that is somewhat ambiguous language.



If this was Europe, there would have been no question about insurance.


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Old 10-02-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Classic scene. Maybe we can get Eric Idle and John Cleese to re-enact this when we start keeling over.
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Possible ebola victim in isolation in Hawaii now.

Patient in Hawaii is in isolation with suspected Ebola | Daily Mail Online
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: planet octupulous is nearing earths atmosphere
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Possible ebola victim in isolation in Hawaii now.

Patient in Hawaii is in isolation with suspected Ebola | Daily Mail Online

better hope Ebola doesn't get into India?? if it does it will take off like a rocket with all the slums there..
 
Old 10-02-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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better hope Ebola doesn't get into India?? if it does it will take off like a rocket with all the slums there..
I hope it doesn't get anywhere.
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