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Old 08-05-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Maybe, point being, that's not what obama campaigned on, now is it?
Nope and it will not be put into place by him, the odds are the right will be the ones forced to do it, that is if they can get anything done at all.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:37 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The CBO has been saying this for a long time.......yet it falls on eyes with blinders and ears with ear plugs...
Somehow the mainstream media missed that well known fact to Fox viewers.

Apparently the media thought this was not worth investigating.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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Somehow the mainstream media missed that well known fact to Fox viewers.

Apparently the media thought this was not worth investigating.
And the dems are gonna stay far away from this thread....
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:15 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Only one way to ensure everyone is covered, a Single Payer system like the rest of the developed world has, coming soon the a country like ours. Enjoy.
Won't happen until we switch to a regressive tax system like those countries have to pay for it. That means the tax burden will fall heaviest on the lower- and middle-income earners instead of the higher income earners as it now does. But you'll get National Health Care for that.

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"UC Davis's Peter Lindert has argued in his book "Growing Public" that European social democracies were only able to develop the programs they did because they used efficient consumption taxes that didn't lower growth as much as progressive income taxes, particularly those on capital income. European countries needed tax systems that could raise a lot of money without hurting growth, and only regressive consumption taxes fit the bill.

...Prasad and Deng found that the progressivity of countries' tax codes is negatively correlated with the amount of redistribution they do. In English: The less progressive the code, the more progressive the system."
Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post

Want European-style social programs? Then the lower- and middle-income earners will have to bear the brunt of the costs like they do in European countries. Pay up!
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Pa
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When does Obama's numbers ever add up?
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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"My plan begins by covering every American. If you already have health insurance, the only thing that will change for you under this plan is that the amount of money you will spend on premiums will be less," Obama said. "If you are one of 45 million Americans who don't have health insurance, you will after
this plan becomes law."
Obama Unveils Universal Health Care Plan - CBS News
Wow, Obama voters really got duped.
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:28 AM
 
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Won't happen until we switch to a regressive tax system like those countries have to pay for it. That means the tax burden will fall heaviest on the lower- and middle-income earners instead of the higher income earners as it now does. But you'll get National Health Care for that.

How other countries pay for NHC, etc.:

Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post

Want European-style social programs? Then the lower- and middle-income earners will have to bear the brunt of the costs like they do in European countries. Pay up!
That is what you get for thinking within the box. No regressive tax system required at all, simply go to a Flat or Consumption tax and there will be a surplus of revenue to pay for it.
But I will play along for a second, let say a family of four is paying for their own healthcare coverage today and getting a good rate, say $800 a month for the entire family and reasonable to low deductibles, are they better off paying that or say paying half that say $400 - $500 a month with no deductible at all, that is around $3600 a year less in just the premiums, not to mention deductibles, so which is the more expensive and which puts more money in their pockets. People claim they are against the single-payer system yet at the same time countries that do have it are rated higher as to health care than what we had before Obamacare and at a cheaper cost. Sooner or later it will come here, well to the civilian population the Active Military have had it for many many years now, true it could be improved but if it is good enough for our fighting men and women and their families it is good enough for the rest of us.
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Old 08-05-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Won't happen until we switch to a regressive tax system like those countries have to pay for it. That means the tax burden will fall heaviest on the lower- and middle-income earners instead of the higher income earners as it now does. But you'll get National Health Care for that.

How other countries pay for NHC, etc.:

Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post

Want European-style social programs? Then the lower- and middle-income earners will have to bear the brunt of the costs like they do in European countries. Pay up!
Exactly.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:01 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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When does Obama's numbers ever add up?
No problem, he'll just figure out a way to blame this on Republicans.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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Only one way to ensure everyone is covered, a Single Payer system like the rest of the developed world has, coming soon the a country like ours. Enjoy.
But that's not what Obamacare is, and Obamacare has fallen WELL short of its promises. So, where does that leave us? It shows that liberals are the scum and the scourge of this nation, and Obamacare is the latest illustration of just how worthless and repugnant liberal ideology really is.
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