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As a nation, we should require that everyone between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five serve three years of military service. This means both male and female citizens.
Perhaps you are unaware of the existing law on the subject.
All male citizens, 17-45, are the militia, legally obligated to train, fight, and die, on command.
Since there has been no need for all to be called up, "selective service" is used.
Reference:
Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
Title 50 USC Sec. 453. Registration (Selective Service)
Art. 1, Sec. 8, USCON (1789)
Congress shall have power ... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
Articles of Confederation, VI. (1777)
...every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
“ It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
Bring back the draft ? Are you nuts ? Why not learn how to stop our "leaders" from beating up on 3rd world countries, so we can look "Big" and only end up being hated by much of the world ? Why not sever ties with the rabid hound, Israel, the blood sucking leech ? It would give us a lot of money to fix OUR problems, and still maintain a good defense at HOME if attacked, instead of poking the big no$e into every conflict on earth that may net u$ a big windfall ?
Where the difference of opinion between you and I comes in, isn't our goals. I believe we have mostly the same goals. What you seem to be incapable of seeing, is that we can get there in better ways.
The draft is a way to get young people doing things. But it is also something which is easily exploited and abused for political purposes. As well as obviously being an incredible violation of personal freedom.
Look at it like this. You are seeing that there is a problem, and you are trying to find a solution for that problem. What you should be doing instead, is asking why is there a problem to begin with?
More importantly, you need to understand if this is a "natural problem". As in, it is the natural outcome of human nature/freedom. Or if this is actually an "artificial problem".
To find that answer, you need to contrast the past with the present.
For a quick reference. When I am in doubt, I like to use the Amish as a reference point.
Do young Amish men have these same problems? If not, why?
If you want my analysis of why young men are the way they are. It is one part youth culture, which is largely a consequence of age-segregation in our public school system. It is one part government assistance, which enables the absence of the father from the household. It is one part the illegality of child labor, because children never learn how to work(farm kids learn to work at an early age, and don't have the same problems as "city kids").
I think you can actually solve the degeneracy of young men through more freedom.
If you were to strip away public schools, government assistance, and child-labor laws. Young men would learn to be disciplined and responsible at an early age. Because they would have to.
Right now, the system allows them to basically act like children forever. The only responsibility they have, is what they choose to take on.
Yes, well said. I am trying to find a solution. I totally agree that there are root problems with society in general. When you speak of fathers staying at home and taking responsibility, you will immediately be misinterpreted and your true meaning twisted because some will immediately think you are speaking of the Black culture and you will immediately be dubbed a racist.
If you speak of personal responsibility and self reliance, then you will be dubbed as uncaring for the poor and less fortunate.
If you speak of possessing a work ethic and an ambition to rise to the upper middle-class or wealthy status, then you will be dubbed as a money grubber that should share the wealth you worked for with all less fortunate than you.
I guess the best thing to do is to enjoy what you yourself have accomplished, provide for your own family, and simply say "to Hell with everybody else".
You can learn accounting in the military too. The beauty part is you won't have a mountain of student loan debt when you get out. Indeed, I am for equality and fairness. You should have learned to write before you finished middle school.
You can't be a CPA without an accounting degree. Which branch of the military grants those?
I was 21 when I got drafted. I guess that was too late for me. I did my time, came home and got a job and finally started my own business. I managed to raise three kids and send them to college. Somehow, I squeezed it all in. One doesn't really make the most money from a career until he is 40 or so anyways.[/QUOTE]
You seem to believe that military service is the answer of everything. It is not. Everybody has different life plans. Not everybody needs government assistance, (job training, included)
Take me as an example. I am a fine artist and I also own my own business (My family business). Why do I need to be drafted into the military for? Art and running business have always been my passion. There are different ways to serve my country. The money I make from the jobs I love create freedom for me to be a volunteer at my local VA hospital. I also create arts to show my appreciate towards military.
My bro joined because he wanted to be there. Plain and simple. He wanted to be a Marine when he was 18, not a doctor. Plain and simple.
The best thing about this country is that we have freedom to choose.
You seem to believe that ONLY the poor join the military. This is a big big myth. We are from very comfortable upper middle class family here in Newport Beach, California. ALL my military friends choose Marine Corps over anything else. Trust me, they have many choices to be successful. They all CHOSE to be in the service. CHOSE being the key word here.
There are some financially challenged individuals choose military to get a college education. They are already doing it. But not everybody in this country needs that option.
I am trying to provide a little solution for the many. Good for you. Please read my posts a little closer.
I stated that there were some young men from wealthy families that served with me.
I asked you to provide how much it would cost to go with your option. You did not provide it. I also stated I would go along with your option provided your option could train this many people in all the different fields that the military can.
Bring back the draft ? Are you nuts ? Why not learn how to stop our "leaders" from beating up on 3rd world countries, so we can look "Big" and only end up being hated by much of the world ? Why not sever ties with the rabid hound, Israel, the blood sucking leech ? It would give us a lot of money to fix OUR problems, and still maintain a good defense at HOME if attacked, instead of poking the big no$e into every conflict on earth that may net u$ a big windfall ?
The only way to stop that is at the polls. I can't promise you utopia.
Perhaps you are unaware of the existing law on the subject.
All male citizens, 17-45, are the militia, legally obligated to train, fight, and die, on command.
Since there has been no need for all to be called up, "selective service" is used.
Reference:
Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
Title 50 USC Sec. 453. Registration (Selective Service)
Art. 1, Sec. 8, USCON (1789)
Congress shall have power ... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
Articles of Confederation, VI. (1777)
...every State shall always keep up a well-regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
“ It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
Why did you go and waste all that time? It served absolutely no purpose.
I'm not worried because I don't think Congress would ever pass a new draft.
What worries me are conservatives who claim to favor less government/less spending yet have NO problem dreaming up schemes to make the military larger and give it more $$$.
What is the source of this disconnect that apparently makes conservatives believe the military is not the government?
Simple and you already know the answer. The buildup of the military creates jobs in nearly every sector of the economy. Even job training.
When Reagan undertook the building of the 600 ship Navy, jobs at shipyards boomed. Ingalls Shipyard had to create welding schools to train enough welders to meet the demand. They trained ship fitters, logistics specialists, contract people, even ship surveyors.
Support industries hired people. Products were manufactured and sold.
I am trying to provide a little solution for the many. Good for you. Please read my posts a little closer.
I stated that there were some young men from wealthy families that served with me.
I asked you to provide how much it would cost to go with your option. You did not provide it. I also stated I would go along with your option provided your option could train this many people in all the different fields that the military can.
Isn't that fair?
Still no.
I have nothing against your post or you personally. Really I dont.
I guess I am just a little bit confused. You said that bring back the draft for EVERYONE (girls and boys between age 18-25) That is not providing an option for many, that is forcing everybody to do one thing. It is not fair for them (us) or the country. Quite frankly, the military does not need those who don't want to be there.
In term of "option", military is a great option for those who want money to go to college. Most youth are fully aware of this option. That is the only point I was trying to make. Give them a chance to choose, that is all.
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