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Originally Posted by mike0618
If that was our policy he wouldnt threaten like that
Blowhards are blowhards, policy wouldn't change that but going to war over mere talk would certainly top the list of all the stupid, inane, asinine reasons we've gone to war with various factions in the past.
Can you cite me where the wars we have fought since WW2 were done in the defense of our country and its people per the Constitution, or is it more the case they were done at the behest of Big Money that owns our government?
We have not fought an imperial war by the definition of imperialism .
We have not fought an imperial war by the definition of imperialism .
Call it what you will, but it does not change the fact that they were not defensive wars for our country, but wars for Big Global Governance with the MIC and associated Corporations and Banks the major benefactors.
The top .5% have benefited immensely from these policies and continue to want the the bottom 99% to pay for it.
Blowhards are blowhards, policy wouldn't change that but going to war over mere talk would certainly top the list of all the stupid, inane, asinine reasons we've gone to war with various factions in the past.
My point is we wouldnt need to go to war because saber rattling would decrease. Of course we wouldnt go to war in the example given. Back door talk between usa and russia would have stopped any actions. Theres a difference between what russia said trying to save face vs what isis says and means. They are not a country and their actions prove they will do what they say if given the chance.
Russia had the ability but wasnt planning on using it. Isis would use it if given the chance. Russia backed down because jfk was willing to attack. And russia knew it. Jfk called their bluff. Who thinks obama will do anything? Now after this bombing of isis maybe. That was a good move by him. Its not enough. Take them out.
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Originally Posted by mike0618
My point is we wouldnt need to go to war because saber rattling would decrease. Of course we wouldnt go to war in the example given. Back door talk between usa and russia would have stopped any actions. Theres a difference between what russia said trying to save face vs what isis says and means. They are not a country and their actions prove they will do what they say if given the chance.
I just don't believe more saber rattling is the cure for saber rattling.
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Originally Posted by mike0618
Russia had the ability but wasnt planning on using it. Isis would use it if given the chance. Russia backed down because jfk was willing to attack. And russia knew it. Jfk called their bluff. Who thinks obama will do anything? Now after this bombing of isis maybe. That was a good move by him. Its not enough. Take them out.
Russia had gone far beyond talk, I don't see the relevance to your 'we will destroy you for voice threats' statement.
This is quite the dichotomy.
I wonder how some alleviate their conscience on this matter.
They want a small government to do as they please here but want a Big Global Government backed by the tools of the military to do as they please outside our country, in other peoples countries.
The constitution seems to be quoted when it comes to objections on helping our our fellow citizens and is ignored when it comes to not minding our own business and sticking to purely defensive measures.
There is a name for these types. NeoCon Global Fascists
A lot of Democrats like Obama and his supporters are NeoCon Global Facists.
Obama:
-More drones.
-More foreign drone bases.
-Drones bombing more countries.
-Special Forces engaged in more countries.
-More non-war zone military bases.
-Continued rendition.
-Escalated Afghanistan War dramatically. St. Pete for Peace - Obama fact sheet
etc...
Quite the dichotomy of the Anti-Bush. Mr. Hope and Change is a fraud and his supporters don't care as long as the thrills keep shooting up the legs.
It beats the alternative which is to be under someone elses thumb.
We're under lots of thumbs right now!
We're under the thumbs of Western Europe, East Asia, and the Middle East. Western Europe and East Asia because we've stupidly committed ourselves to defending wealthy nations while they spend their largesse domestically, and the Middle East because they jerk our chain at will.
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon
I agree we should scale back.
However, Obama - Mr. Hope and Change - has actually increased military bases abroad. He has also increased the amount of countries that we bomb against the countries' will with drones. He has also doubled the amount of countries that special forces have been active in compared to under Bush.
So this should be a non-issue with the mainstream until a Republican wins.
Left/right dichotomy is dumb in this conversation. It's irrelevant. And Repubs aren't any better.
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Originally Posted by LarsMac
Simple answer,
We have pissed off so many people, now, that we need to keep our strength up and keep them on their toes, or they will all gang up and come kick our ass.
"For the Empire!"
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Originally Posted by mike0618
Exactly!
Dont misread my previous post and think i am a neo-con.
I am not!
Our foriegn policy needs to change!
The policy should be simple
If you commit genocide we will come in and stop it and detroy those who commit it.
If you threaten american lives even by voice threats we will come in and destroy you.
If that was our foriegn policy we would have less issues with needing to fight. After the first idiot challeged our policy and got the wraph of the usa, others would fall in line.
We dont need to be the worlds police force.
We need to be the worlds alpha male! The big dog that everone knows not to mess with or to cross.
Ummm, no. We don't need to be the world's alpha male. That's our problem right now.
We simply need to lead by example. Walk softly...right?
Be sagacious with the big stick.
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Originally Posted by wjtwet
We have not fought an imperial war by the definition of imperialism .
What do you call overthrowing governments, installing and propping up puppet regimes and launching preemptive wars?
Friendly gestures?
Don't look at America the way a 4 year old looks at his mommy.
A lot of Democrats like Obama and his supporters are NeoCon Global Facists.
Obama:
-More drones.
-More foreign drone bases.
-Drones bombing more countries.
-Special Forces engaged in more countries.
-More non-war zone military bases.
-Continued rendition.
-Escalated Afghanistan War dramatically. St. Pete for Peace - Obama fact sheet
etc...
Quite the dichotomy of the Anti-Bush. Mr. Hope and Change is a fraud and his supporters don't care as long as the thrills keep shooting up the legs.
More left/right Republican/Democrat bull****. GTHOH with that...it's irrelevant.
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