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You're right but what do we do now? You can raise a bad kid and say what if I did this, or that but once that kid is armed and taking down schools full of kids it doesn't matter anymore. What are we going to do with the monster now?
Isis is already bad, we are already responsible for it.
First and most importantly, we have to correctly identify and blame the idiotic ideology that got us into this quagmire and hold them accountable for this calamity.
This isn't mere political partisan scoring, but part of learning and doing better is understanding what went wrong. Too many Americans don't get that our presence in Iraq caused ISIS to exist.
And we don't understand that because too many of us don't get that the whole Iraq war was a disaster that should have never been undertaken NOR should the mistakes of the Iraq war be repeated in any other nation, but especially in Iraq.
What I see are the same blood thirsty idiots using the same distorted ideology to get us back into making the same disastrous errors in Iraq.
The issue remains why isn't the Iraqi military and the Iraqi government protecting their own citizens from these butchers?
Can we facilitate the Iraqi military or the Iraqi government to defend their own people and forget this Sunni/Shia/Kurd ethnic strife?
Can we get other nations in the region to see ISIS as a threat and take them on?
None of these actions depend on us pretending that we can bully our way through this crisis like we have tried to do for over 10yrs now.
This seems to be the whole point that supporters of the U.S. going back in seem to be missing....even if we went back in we'd accomplish nothing. We can't defeat ISIS no matter what we do. Our multi-hundred billion dollar defense budgets are useless in this matter.
Found this excerpt in a piece in the New Statesman that describes the situation perfectly perfectly:
The piece basically explains why it's futile for us to get on the ground there.
ok, so let's just wait until they move in on our country, is that what you are saying? Let's see more people beheaded, right in from of our eyes? Let's see more rape and misuse of young girls? I am not in favor of fighting other countries wars, I am tired of us thinking we have the duty to protect the world, but I certainly think we need to do whatever we can to stop these murders. Are you going to feel the same way the day they behead someone here in America?
The sad reality is that it is widely known that our presenc in Iraq created ISIS.
What I find so troubling is the abject ignorance.
There is no military solution in Iraq.
That has been obvious for 10yrs now.
You have these blood thirsty racists who advocate just killing Muslims. Essentially they are calling for genocide.
How the heck is that going to help?
The reality is everything in the world that happens isn't about what America does or doesn't do.
We keep not getting that. We keep not learning anything.
It is widely known? By whom is it widely known?
We have blood thirsty racists who want to kill Muslims, when was the last time we beheaded an innocent human being? When did we start teaching hate thy neighbor if they didn't belong to our religion? I am not for interfering in the beliefs of other religions nor getting involved in civil wars. I do not think we need to be the world police, but when something like what happened to Foley happens, I want it stopped. Call in revenge, call it fear for our own safety, call it whatever, but we have to do anything possible to do our best, to keep our country and our families safe from these murderers.
uhm...I paid taxes as a soldier and now as a government civilian too
and yes much was found,
Something those with BDS will NOT read.
SOME excerpts:
"The recent turmoil in Iraq brought on by the rise of the Sunni extremist group known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has ironically struck a blow to the American Left’s endlessly repeated narrative that there were no weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) in Iraq prior to the war. The State Department and other U.S. government officials have revealed that ISIS now occupies the Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex. Al Muthanna was Saddam Hussein’s primary chemical weapons facility, and it is located less than 50 miles from Baghdad."
"The Obama administration claims that the weapons in that facility, which include sarin, mustard gas, and nerve agent VX, manufactured to prosecute the war against Iran in the 1980s, do not pose a threat because they are old, contaminated and hard to move. “We do not believe that the complex contains CW materials of military value and it would be very difficult, if not impossible to safely move the materials,†said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki." ( if they don't pose a threat why can't they be moved?)
"In 2010, documents procured by Wikileaks revealed more information on the WMD threat posed by Iraq that was known to the government. The self-described whistleblowers, who could hardly be called pro-war, released 392,000 military reports from Iraq that revealed several instances of American encounters with potential WMDs or their manufacture. These included 1200 gallons of a liquid mustard agent in Samarra that tested positive for a blister agent; tampering by large earth movers thought to be attempting to penetrate the bunkers at Muthanna; the discovery of a chemical lab and a chemical cache in Fallujah; and the discovery of a cache of weapons hidden at an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint with 155MM rounds that subsequently tested positive for mustard."
"Foreign involvement with WMDs in Iraq was documented as well. A war log from January 2006 speaks of 50 neuroparalytic projectiles smuggled into Iraq from Iran via Al Basrah; Syrian chemical weapons specialists who came in to support the “chemical weapons operations of Hizballah Islami†(Hezbollah); and an Al Qaeda chemical weapons expert from Saudi Arabia sent to assist 200 individuals awaiting an opportunity to attack coalition forces with Sarin. As Wired Magazine characterized it, the Wikileaks documents revealed that for several years after the initial invasion, “U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction.â€
ok, so let's just wait until they move in on our country, is that what you are saying? Let's see more people beheaded, right in from of our eyes? Let's see more rape and misuse of young girls? I am not in favor of fighting other countries wars, I am tired of us thinking we have the duty to protect the world, but I certainly think we need to do whatever we can to stop these murders. Are you going to feel the same way the day they behead someone here in America?
Why should the lives of American servicemen and women be sacrificed to protect people in the Middle East again? People who far too often support these terrorists and who assist them in slaughtering our young men. It's past time to let the Middle East deal with the problems they have created. I'm sick of American lives being lost for the sake of people who don't care enough to do anything to help themselves.
When/if they attack us I'll be happy to drop every one I get a shot at. Until then, let them stay in the ME and kill each other.
I have seen the horrors of war and what it can result in but these monsters need to be wiped off the Planet, there is no GOD that would approve of such monstrous acts. There can never be peace with such cowards, arm those fighting them, support them with air power, if that does not do the trick the world needs to go in themselves and remove this blight from the Earth. I would add any Americans that are caught among these monsters they deserve nothing, no rights, no trial, only a death and the body dumped or burned, period TAKE NO PRISONERS.
This isn't mere political partisan scoring, but part of learning and doing better is understanding what went wrong. Too many Americans don't get that our presence in Iraq caused ISIS to exist.
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oh please
ISIL is the Islamic state of Syria and Lebanon....which was first....then expanded to ISIS as it moved down from lebenon to Syria and iraq
they started in syria as aqueada and was thrown out of alq for being too extreme (bin laden wanted people who would move the movement though basic terrorism, not beheadings and raping and killing women and children.....ino.. isis was too extreme even for bin laden), they then in 03/04 expanded to northern Iraq (with help from extremists from iran(not the country of iran but extremists from iran)), since they idendified with the more strict sunnies
these extremists wont stop at a border..their belief is strict sharia , convert to islam/muslim or be beheaded......and since they look to expand and make islam dominate world wide..bet your butt they will expand and come for the American devil
too bad you want to blame America for everything....
Last edited by workingclasshero; 08-21-2014 at 07:38 AM..
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