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"You didn't prove that you purchased the requisite amount of broccoli for the year. You are being assessed an additional tax penalty of $5,000. Next year, try to eat healthier."
That's where you're headed with beliefs like the one you published above. THINK about what you're promoting! This is (and has always been) the problem with liberal philosophy. Everything is a knee-jerk reaction with virtually no thought whatsoever put into the longer term ramifications of the policy or what the logical conclusion of a line of action will be.
Agreed
why not create a law that every celebrity who dies from an OD has to forfeit their entire estate to drug re-hab facilities. Smokers who die from lung cancer have their estates donated to schools, and fat people who die from heart disease have a fat tax deducted from their estate
1) Freedom to make the rich richer while everyone else goes to hell.
2) Freedom to discriminate, especially against Blacks and Latinos.
3) Freedom to be a bigot.
4) Freedom to perpetuate war and "spread democracy" abroad.
5) Freedom to attack sovereign nations, who pose no imminent threat and have not provoked.
6) Freedom to support Israel unconditionally and their continued intrusion on Arab land.
7) Freedom to tell women what to do with their bodies.
8) Freedom to suppress the vote.
9) Freedom to Gerrymander.
10) Freedom to lie, deceive, and engage freely in deceptive marketing of the Conservative agenda.
11) Freedom to pretend as if Bush didn't happen.
12) Freedom to break Congress.
13) Freedom to corrupt the Supreme Court.
14) Freedom to obstruct the President because he's Black.
15) Freedom to displace American workers with foreign labor to maximize profit.
...and so forth.
The types of "freedoms" they stand for have NEVER been right for this society, even during Slavery times.
You're still around? I figured the REAL LexisNexis would have sent C-D a C&D over your user name by now. Surely you are familiar with the phrase "confusingly similar", considering your profession...
Here are some of the freedoms that i cherish as a liberal:
freedom of religion such as Wicca, Muslim, etc
freedom of speech
freedom for women to do what they want with their bodies- including D and Cs (i.e., pregnancy termination)
freedom to use birth control
freedom to engage in prostitution
freedom to marry whomever wants to marry you and vice versa
freedom of information
freedom to put whatever you want in your body such as marijuana
freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
freedom from oppression
freedom of self-protection
And many more . . . .
Most "conservatives" that i know believe in "the freedom of the second amendment," and then maybe half of the list above if lucky.
You're confused, because most liberals don't believe half of what you believe. You sound more libertarian, like me, than a typical liberal.
There's nobody taking away a woman's right to use birth control, nor to have an abortion. They only want late term abortions to end (with good reason), and the public to stop subsidizing them (also with good reason)
If people truly want freedom they have to be responsible for themselves.
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why not create a law that every celebrity who dies from an OD has to forfeit their entire estate to drug re-hab facilities. Smokers who die from lung cancer have their estates donated to schools, and fat people who die from heart disease have a fat tax deducted from their estate
Be careful! You might actually be writing a play book for them.
If people truly want freedom they have to be responsible for themselves.
This is so important.
People mistake rights as being a privilege. They're not. Your rights are a responsibility. The government does not actually care about your rights. If you don't want to lose your freedom of speech, fight for it. It's that simple. Freedom is a challenge, not a promise. You don't just get rights, you earn them. If you're lucky, someone else ensured you'd have them but you can't assume that's going to last forever.
Sugar is being talked about as a toxic substance by a lot of nutritionists, doctors, and researchers. We already "control peoples behavior" when it comes to alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana, so I don't think it's unreasonable to consider some controls on sugar consumption.
Why was it ever reasonable to control any of this in the first place?
And just because you have some unreasonable ideas, doesn't mean adding more to it is any less unreasonable.
Conservatives what no rules. They want "freedom" to infringe on the rights of others. They want "freedom" to do whatever the hell they want, society be darned.
Prove it.
I'm a conservative. Now tell us what I want and how I intend to infringe your rights.
This should be really entertaining, because you'll be wrong about everything...
1) Freedom to make the rich richer while everyone else goes to hell.
2) Freedom to discriminate, especially against Blacks and Latinos.
3) Freedom to be a bigot.
4) Freedom to perpetuate war and "spread democracy" abroad.
5) Freedom to attack sovereign nations, who pose no imminent threat and have not provoked.
6) Freedom to support Israel unconditionally and their continued intrusion on Arab land.
7) Freedom to tell women what to do with their bodies.
8) Freedom to suppress the vote.
9) Freedom to Gerrymander.
10) Freedom to lie, deceive, and engage freely in deceptive marketing of the Conservative agenda.
11) Freedom to pretend as if Bush didn't happen.
12) Freedom to break Congress.
13) Freedom to corrupt the Supreme Court.
14) Freedom to obstruct the President because he's Black.
15) Freedom to displace American workers with foreign labor to maximize profit.
...and so forth.
The types of "freedoms" they stand for have NEVER been right for this society, even during Slavery times.
You never fail to make mass personal attacks on everyone, do you?
1) Freedom to make the rich richer while everyone else goes to hell.
There are Republicans and Democrats who are contributing to a less socially mobile society. It's not the fault of one party.
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2) Freedom to discriminate, especially against Blacks and Latinos.
Examples?
Also, this isn't a conservative value, as about 100 years ago, liberals and conservatives alike were against different races and religions.
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3) Freedom to be a bigot.
Bigotry is extreme bias and intolerance. Think on that for a moment as you reread your list.
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4) Freedom to perpetuate war and "spread democracy" abroad.
Umm... I wasn't aware the liberals had started no wars. I best reread my history books. Who would have thought, huh?
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5) Freedom to attack sovereign nations, who pose no imminent threat and have not provoked.
I guess my response to that is the same as above.
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6) Freedom to support Israel unconditionally and their continued intrusion on Arab land.
Obama has supported Israel his entire presidency.
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7) Freedom to tell women what to do with their bodies.
Not exactly. Since you are clearly talking about abortion, I should probably let you know that the anti-abortion stance does not view a fetus as part of the woman's body, but as a separate body. I guess you can say they are telling women what to do with the body of others?
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8) Freedom to suppress the vote.
What?
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9) Freedom to Gerrymander.
This is illegal regardless of political party. Try and remember the the ideas of a party or political philosophy are not defined by their politicians who may deal in corruption. As stated above, since supporting Israel is a non-liberal view, obviously Obama is a traitor to the party and his actions do not matter.
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10) Freedom to lie, deceive, and engage freely in deceptive marketing of the Conservative agenda.
Liberals don't do this? Phew, it is a relief to know Obama accepted no corporate money. Although, I seem to recall Obama stating he would require GMO foods to be labeled. Oh well, as long as a GMO lobbyist like Michael Taylor isn't given power in the FDA, I suppose that's still a promise he can keep... oh, wait. But that's not deceptive in anyway of course as only conservatives are deceptive.
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11) Freedom to pretend as if Bush didn't happen.
I've never heard anyone deny Bush's presidency.
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12) Freedom to break Congress.
Ah, yes, because only one party is unwilling to compromise. Gotcha.
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13) Freedom to corrupt the Supreme Court.
Has a liberal really never tried to cheat the supreme court?
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14) Freedom to obstruct the President because he's Black.
Aside form a small, reactionary faction of the Republican party (or other conservative parties), I don't think this is actually a sweeping problem.
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15) Freedom to displace American workers with foreign labor to maximize profit.
Umm, once again, something Obama addressed when he was running but seems to have forgotten about once in office. I get that being president is stressful, but didn't he at least right down his promises? Did he lose his list?
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The types of "freedoms" they stand for have NEVER been right for this society, even during Slavery times.
Liberal Republicans ended slavery. But prior to that, liberal and conservatives alike had slaves. Were liberals bad up until slavery was abolished? Who would have voted for in the early 1800s?
If you read any of the things I consider a freedom and am in favor of, you would see i don't support such laws nor do we as a group.
Ummm.... you can't lump yourself in as speaking for liberals, and misrepresent them... and then claim to be in opposition to conservatives, while misrepresenting them...and then say you're not be to held to the truth of what modern liberals do.
You provided a LIST of policy items. Period. You defined all of them (most of which were a bit vague) collectively as "freedom" and added the "a lot more". You also broadbrushed conservatives entirely without merit as well.
So, start telling us what your principled beliefs are and why and how all these fit your principled beliefs...
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