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Left look at usa vs world and think america is conservative in perspective to europe.
Right look at how far left we have gone from where the usa was when founded.
No, the real differences are far more ideological than that. The Left are "Progressives" (Marxist/socialists).
Conservatives are free market capitalists, lovers of freedom, and believe in individualism and the right of the individual to determine his own future and path in life.
"Progresives" are collectivists, and do not believe in individualism. In fact, you will never hear them use that word. They will often substitute "individuality," but they will never speak of the "rugged individualism" that built this country.
I'm damn glad we are further left from when we were founded. Blacks, women, and gays have rights. Slavery is gone. We have labor laws. Life expectancy is about twice as long. We have a CDC, FDA, and EPA regulating diseases, food, drugs, water, and air. We have automobiles with more safety features than we can count.
Why would I want to go back to such a primitive society for "freedom" ?
Your post is silly. What makes you think that conservatives want to go back to a "primitive" society?
We like the modern conveniences and all the technology just as much as you do. We like our modern automobiles, and we like the fact that many diseases have been essentially wiped out (but not through anything that government has done, though government may have provided funding in some cases).
But there has clearly been government overreach which has caused the loss of liberty on a grand scale.
The deal is, we can choose to or not to do business with a company that's greedy, irresponsible or downright corrupt. We don't have that option with the government.
And there are lot of businesses that are responsible and even highly charitable, but most businesses get lumped into the "evil, profits-above-people" stereotype. The second most charitable company in America is actually Walmart, who donates over $1 billion in cash and products each year.
Maybe they should use they should donate that billion dollars to employees wages so we can stop donating our tax dollars to their EBT cards.
Left look at usa vs world and think america is conservative in perspective to europe.
Right look at how far left we have gone from where the usa was when founded.
No, that's really not the case. Most people who get teary eyed and want us to go back to the way things were really don't know how things were. The same people typically will vehemently defend practices like In God We Trust as the official motto and children citing the pledge at school even though that's really not what the Founders wanted.
The USA is generally quite a bit more conservative than Europe on things like social matters.
Yes. There are. However, there are some similarities between the two. The far left and far right are equally manipulative, annoying and non-negotiable.
I consider myself a young generation of Republican - Christian Republican.
Many young Republicans believe that the Republican war on gay marriage and marijuana legalization are misguided. Part of this is due to the fact that many are in support of these issues.
We tend to believe that the party should focus more on Economic issues, not social issues. I mean who cares if two men want to get married.
Unfortunately, many people are very stuck in their beliefs and cannot appreciate or respect the viewpoints of others. This is never going to change. So in that regard, there are not much differences between far left and far right.
Yes. There are. However, there are some similarities between the two. The far left and far right are equally manipulative, annoying and non-negotiable.
I consider myself a young generation of Republican - Christian Republican.
Many young Republicans believe that the Republican war on gay marriage and marijuana legalization are misguided. Part of this is due to the fact that many are in support of these issues.
We tend to believe that the party should focus more on Economic issues, not social issues. I mean who cares if two men want to get married.
Unfortunately, many people are very stuck in their beliefs and cannot appreciate or respect the viewpoints of others. This is never going to change. So in that regard, there are not much differences between far left and far right.
Sounds more Libertarian than traditional Republican. Nevertheless, I agree with you. Cannabis should be legal, and what two consenting adults do is nobody elses business. Focus on fiscal responsibility, and economic issues.
When i started this thread i didnt have time to get into what my thought process was.
Now i have a few minutes so let me add.
The statement was in perspective of what each side seems to look at things and why they dont get each others ideas. The two sides see things differently. When a liberal says we are or some politican is conservative or far right they are comparing to world liberal comparisons. While the conservative is comparing the same person to the founders and thinks theres no way hes a conservative. Example would be romney. Maybe this is why the 2 parties have such a easy time deviding us. Conseratives are truley from mars and liberals from venus.
Your post is silly. What makes you think that conservatives want to go back to a "primitive" society?
We like the modern conveniences and all the technology just as much as you do. We like our modern automobiles, and we like the fact that many diseases have been essentially wiped out (but not through anything that government has done, though government may have provided funding in some cases).
But there has clearly been government overreach which has caused the loss of liberty on a grand scale.
...because we have learned over time that businesses cannot be trusted to protect citizens or the environment.
...but the right-wing still thinks businesses deserve those rights and will do what is best for us.
A business has no obligation to protect citizens. Technically, not even it's employees (though any good business would). I know the more liberal crowd hates this argument, but if you don't like your salary or working conditions, you have two options. Demand them and see if your employer agrees, or quit.
I will agree, that's easier said than done in today's corporate society. But corporations need to be regulated. Other places... not so much. However, it's good PR to have good working conditions and protecting the environment; logically, that should be incentive enough. If not, don't force them into it. Force pisses people off and you know it. Provide incentives. I don't necessary care what, but if there's a good reason to reduce carbon emissions and save energy, business will do it.
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated Somewhat.
The simple way to put it:
I'm damn glad we are further left from when we were founded. Blacks, women, and gays have rights. Slavery is gone. We have labor laws. Life expectancy is about twice as long. We have a CDC, FDA, and EPA regulating diseases, food, drugs, water, and air. We have automobiles with more safety features than we can count.
Why would I want to go back to such a primitive society for "freedom
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
Because under that "primitive" society we'd still have the CDC, FDA, and EPA since they have nothing to do with left vs right. What you said is just more "right wing extremists want to turn America into Somalia" type garbage.
Blacks, women, and gays would also still have rights. That is, again, just leftist rhetoric that says that conservatives oppose equal rights. You will nowhere find real conservatives who oppose equal rights. All you find is liberals who say that conservatives oppose equal rights. Such as yourself.
That's the thing with all the terrible things that conservatives want. You can't actually find any conservatives who want them. All you find is liberals telling you that conservatives want them.
That's the truth of it.
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