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Old 12-25-2007, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Am I the only one that finds it odd that Giuliani, Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Thompson, Hunter are all running on basically the same stances as Bush (with the possible exception of immigration) yet none invoke his name? Usually if a candidate is running on roughly the same platform or with the same stances and positions, they will bend over backwards trying to snag the most important endorsement of all, that of the standing President.
Not really, the objective is to get the nomination, and the Republican Party has established positions on practically every issue. If you buck the trend, your chances of being marginalized out of the running increases, so why go against the current sentiments? It has absolutely nothing to do with supporting or opposing Bush, it has everything to do with getting the nomination.

Democrats did the same with Clinton in the mid to late 1990's, and they generally didn't seek his support (though espousing many similar political positions on the issues).

 
Old 12-25-2007, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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ProudCap,
I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I think GW Bush is a failure as a President, and I voted for him in 2000. He's a disappointment to me.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Not even close. He isn't nearly as bad as Carter or Klinton.
I hate to say this but, Klinton is spelled with a "C" Bill Clinton.

Oh, and Carter was the only President that refused Secret Service protection after he got out of office. He thought that it was a waste of tax payers money especially when all the security codes are changed the instant a new man is in office.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 09:20 AM
 
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If you consider allowing and facilitating the Mexican invasion of the United States, than yes.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 09:34 AM
 
Location: America
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ProudCap,
I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I think GW Bush is a failure as a President, and I voted for him in 2000. He's a disappointment to me.
what makes him a disappointment in your eyes and what made him appeal to you as a candidate in the beginning?
 
Old 12-26-2007, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Memphis, But I call Boston Home
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It's quite possible.

Remember, the people who will ultimately assess Bush's place in history are maybe just now being born, and some of them aren't even here yet.

And then there's always the possibility that his legacy could be revisited in future times by their grandchildren.

To us, Bush is not history; he is current news.

As a current president? He's been better than average. Maybe not great, but far above mediocre. In my own view, he's been quite a mixed bag.

Domestically we've got a bigger, nosier, less efficient, more intrusive government. More socialist giveaways, less freedom.

Largely by inaction, he has facilitated the invasion of our homeland by millions of lawbreaking foreign poachers from south of our border, who have no right to be here.

He was right to cut taxes, but he then frittered away a perfect opportunity (6 years of a bicameral GOP Congress) to also cut government spending as well.

So on domestic policy, he has mostly failed. But he sure got the Democrats to like him and appreciate him... </sarcasm>

In judicial affairs, he has given us two brilliant, Constitution-respecting jurists as Supreme Court justices. His other federal judiciary appointments have been strong, too. Not a moment too soon.

It is in foreign policy where the Bush legacy is brightest. 50 million people are now free from tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan, building the basis of freedom in a historically un-free part of the world. He has also stood firm for U.S. interests against UN globocrats on several occasions, most notably Kyoto.

Best of all, Bush rallied the country after 9/11 and made us feel unified and proud. It was a pinnacled moment of his presidency. No less impressive is that he's prevented any further attacks on U.S. soil in the 6+ years since. I like a president who can do that!

Just some random thoughts. I'm content to leave the rest to future historians.
I just want to touch on a few things you said.......First of all he freed the Iraqis and the Afghan people this is true, but how are they doing now? Honestly Iraq is still on the brink of Civil War and violence in Afghanistan has not subsided. The Afghan women are still in Burkhas.......Iraq and Afghanistan are a mess and will remain a mess for years to come. If you remember correctly we were going after those who attacked us on 9-11, yet Bin Laden is still free 6 years later. Think about that for a minute.
Bush rallied the country after 9-11 and then quickly divided it. He could have done whatever he wanted and for the most part would have had the support of the American people, but he made the choice to divide us by saying throwing Iraq into the mess and saying YOUR EITHER WITH US OR YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS.........Making even intelligent Americans believe for a time that Iraq and Al Queda were in bed together and that just is not true. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.
You mention we haven't been attacked since 9-11, well Clinton only had one attack in the US by foriegn terrorists during his Presidency yet we know he didn't do enough. We know he didn't get the people he needed to get. And I won't even get into illegal wiretapping and the Patriot Act. This President stomped on the Constitution and too many Americans didn't care. I find that very scary. I am also concerned that he will try to pull something next year when he is finely leaving office....I wouldn't put it past him to suspend the Elections and idiots believing it is actually for our own good. He is a scary man who will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our history.
One last thing, you mention more intrusive Government, well you know have Bush and the Republicans to blame for that. Bush is like Big Brother and he wants to know everything you are doing. It will take years and years to fix the mess he has created.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Memphis, But I call Boston Home
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OK, this is obviously someone who is not educated. It was Klinton who failed to protect us on 9/11. It was the Klinton administration who gutted the military and intelligence budgets so we didn't have any intelligence against Al Qaeda. It was Klinton who failed to act when the World Trade Center was bombed the first time. It was Klinton who failed to act when the Marines barracks were attacked, it was Klinton who failed to act when the Cole was bombed.

Bush had the courage to fight a real war on terror and because of this war we have the terrorists on the run in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of bombing more buildings in the USA.

Now I am not a big fan with everything Bush had done. I think the worst thing he did was give money to the oil companies who are gouging us. But because of the tax cuts he gave everyone the economy is better then anyone could have predicted. Now that the Democrats in Congress are raising taxes the economy is starting to fall apart. If Hillary or Obama become President I will guarantee you will see the real worst President in the history because not only will Al Qaeda have a free reign to attack the USA but by the time they pass all their tax increases and new entitlement programs we will be in a depression for the next 50 years.
Sept 11 most certianly happened on Bush's watch. Sure Clinton made mistakes, but he also caught those responsible for the first bombing of the Trade Center. IN catching Ramzi Yousef he actually prevented a planned attack that would have had 13 airliners blown up over the Pacific Ocean. He also tried to pass legislation that would make it easier to track terrorists funds etc, however the Republicans in Congress did not consider this to be important. In fact it has been said that many thought Clinton was a bit obsessed with Bin Laden, go figure. When the Cole was attacked on October 22, 2000 what did you expect Clinton to do? You do realize reports and investigations were not complete until Jan 12, 2001 8 days before Bush was sworn in. Until that point no one was sure who was actually behind the whole thing, so what did Bush do about that? Had Clinton started bombing countries right before Bush was sworn in you would have been complaining about that. Another question you should ask is exactly what did Bush do during his first 8 months in office to go after the terrorists? You do realize that the hijackers were in the country under Bush longer than they were under Clinton. Of course you know all this, but you prefer to blame Clinton.
Better yet, Bin Laden issued his war on the US in 96, and then again in 98 giving Clinton no more than 4 1/2 years to catch him, Bush has had almost 7 years and Bin Laden is still free. The Brits caught a group planning on blowing up American Planes, they have also been bombed as have the Spanish so terrorism is still alive and well. Yet those responsible for these attacks were training in Pakistan and Afghanistan so what does Bush do? He invades Iraq..That would be like invading Canada because Germany attacked us, it makes absolutely NO SENSE at all. If you think we are safer ask yourself how many people have crossed the border illegally. Ask how many shipping containers are checked coming in from overseas.......Do you really feel safer when you fly because you can't bring a large tube of toothpaste on the plane? Give me a break.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 09:56 AM
 
Location: America
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I just want to touch on a few things you said.......First of all he freed the Iraqis and the Afghan people this is true, but how are they doing now? Honestly Iraq is still on the brink of Civil War and violence in Afghanistan has not subsided. The Afghan women are still in Burkhas.......Iraq and Afghanistan are a mess and will remain a mess for years to come. If you remember correctly we were going after those who attacked us on 9-11, yet Bin Laden is still free 6 years later. Think about that for a minute.
Bush rallied the country after 9-11 and then quickly divided it. He could have done whatever he wanted and for the most part would have had the support of the American people, but he made the choice to divide us by saying throwing Iraq into the mess and saying YOUR EITHER WITH US OR YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS.........Making even intelligent Americans believe for a time that Iraq and Al Queda were in bed together and that just is not true. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now.
You mention we haven't been attacked since 9-11, well Clinton only had one attack in the US by foriegn terrorists during his Presidency yet we know he didn't do enough. We know he didn't get the people he needed to get. And I won't even get into illegal wiretapping and the Patriot Act. This President stomped on the Constitution and too many Americans didn't care. I find that very scary. I am also concerned that he will try to pull something next year when he is finely leaving office....I wouldn't put it past him to suspend the Elections and idiots believing it is actually for our own good. He is a scary man who will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our history.
One last thing, you mention more intrusive Government, well you know have Bush and the Republicans to blame for that. Bush is like Big Brother and he wants to know everything you are doing. It will take years and years to fix the mess he has created.
1. you ever stop to think those women want to be in burqa? You ever stop to think that maybe many of them are religious and want to adhere to their religion?

2. Women were safer under Taliben rule than they are now. Rapes are repent there now among other things.

3. We don't have Bush and the Republicans to blame for the present state of affairs in America. We have apathetic Americans and there "I don't care what happens, as long as it doesn't effect me negatively" mentalities for where we are now. Last time I checked the populace voted those republicans in, innit? I know this sounds harsh as heck but, I am so happy that we as a country are suffering now. Maybe things will get bad enough that people start realizing we can not survive as individuals any longer.
 
Old 12-26-2007, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Land of 10000 Lakes + some
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I hate to say this but, Klinton is spelled with a "C" Bill Clinton.

Oh, and Carter was the only President that refused Secret Service protection after he got out of office. He thought that it was a waste of tax payers money especially when all the security codes are changed the instant a new man is in office.


You talking about Jimmy Karter?
 
Old 12-26-2007, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Memphis, But I call Boston Home
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1. you ever stop to think those women want to be in burqa? You ever stop to think that maybe many of them are religious and want to adhere to their religion?

2. Women were safer under Taliben rule than they are now. Rapes are repent there now among other things.

3. We don't have Bush and the Republicans to blame for the present state of affairs in America. We have apathetic Americans and there "I don't care what happens, as long as it doesn't effect me negatively" mentalities for where we are now. Last time I checked the populace voted those republicans in, innit? I know this sounds harsh as heck but, I am so happy that we as a country are suffering now. Maybe things will get bad enough that people start realizing we can not survive as individuals any longer.
Wild I agree they may want to be in a burkha, though I don't know for sure. Seems they are afraid of the men around them more than anything. I do agree with everything you posted. No one cares, they think we freed these people when in reality we did nothing to help them.
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