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Originally Posted by musiqum
What??? Are you seriously think Putin did not demand it??? Wow!!! He did it from the first minute after the tragedy. In fact, he insistently demanded it.
Guys, you are heavily brainwashed. And it is another good example of how the western propaganda is intentionally hiding the truth (or deadly silent about it) and at the same time telling its lies or misrepresenting events on purpose.
Again, there is an informative war against Russia. And Russia is loosing this war.
Then why were there positively identified Russian citizens among the pro-Russian militants preventing access to the crash scenes?
We all know that Putin publicly demanded an open investigation. That's worth about the same as anything he publicly proclaims. At the same time, pro-Russian separatists were keeping out investigators.
Then why were there positively identified Russian citizens among the pro-Russian militants preventing access to the crash scenes?
You better answer why do you think it was true? Because ukrainian president Poroshenko told the western public about it? Pro-russian militants were protecting the site and waited independent international monitors, but Ukrainian president told them he can't guarantee their safety on the site because of those "terrorists" (and this is why international monitors thought that the rebs trying to block access to the area which is wasn't true), but at the same time, ukrainian army bombed the area to destroy any survived evidence. The question is why the ukrainian army did it if there was not any strategical objects and any rebels troops there? Why it was so important to bomb this deserted area?
Too much false flag operations here.
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Originally Posted by Woof
At the same time, pro-Russian separatists were keeping out investigators.
It's not true. And independent international investigators didn't confirm this later.
Hello comrade! How goes the spreading of Putins greatness to these poor deluded Americans?
Hello cowgirl! Actually, not good. And the main reason is that there is some gullible and misinformed people here who won't accept any sensible logic.
But, as an american, I am really unhappy with it.
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Originally Posted by greywar
In the future we should try and avoid personal attacks on people, and just stick with misleading propaganda for the great and glorious Russia!
Sounds good. So, since you are offering it, please start doing it.
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Originally Posted by greywar
Personal attacks are against the TOS
It is very nice to see you remember it. But don't forget that trolling is not tolerated either.
Here's a thought; why is it do you think that Putin did not demand independent investigators be allowed access to the M-17 crash site? In what context do you think it would be appropriate for him to allow rebels operating with his sanction to prevent the recovery of bodies and investigation to take place of the crash site?
He did, you would have to actually read the news to understand this though.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
In the history of Russia there have been more purges, outright genocide and atrocities committed in the name of it's government so as to account for millions of Russian citizens having been murdered at the behest of it's own leader/s but it's western propaganda that worries modern Russia?
Russia as a democracy is currently only 23 years old. No genocide and mass killings have occurred during this 23 years. As part of the Soviet Union, the worse atrocities were committed under Stalin, who was Georgian, not Russian. Before the USSR, Russia was a monarchy in which the people had little power in the affairs of Russia, and in which the tsars were in fact mostly ethnically German.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Give me a freak'n break here. An ex KGB hard-case running the country and we're to believe he has nothing but the best of intentions towards the Ukrainians while amassing armour and troops along the border. Do you seriously think anyone will believe Russia is afraid of an invasion? That leaves only one valid and irrefutable conclusion ~ those troops and armour are there to perform the well known (from historical proof of past behaviour) Russian rape and pillage.
Good gawd, the "Putin is KGB" fallacy argument again, never heard this one before. Bush was former head of the CIA, so what is your point?
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Some of us still remember Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
Oh yes, when the Soviet Union, in which Russia and Ukraine were part of, along with some Warsaw Pact countries, invaded those tow countries. This has to do with Russia how?
The Invasion of Czechoslovakia consisted not only the USSR, but Poland, Hungary, and Bulgaria and whopping 100 people killed on the Czech side. Oh yes, led by who? Soviet leader Brezhev, and minister of defense Grechko, both Ukrainian. I guess we can get into the Hungarian invasion later.
You better answer why do you think it was true? Because ukrainian president Poroshenko told the western public about it? Pro-russian militants were protecting the site and waited independent international monitors, but Ukrainian president told them he can't guarantee their safety on the site because of those "terrorists" (and this is why international monitors thought that the rebs trying to block access to the area which is wasn't true), but at the same time, ukrainian army bombed the area to destroy any survived evidence. The question is why the ukrainian army did it if there was not any strategical objects and any rebels troops there? Why it was so important to bomb this deserted area?
Too much false flag operations here.
Yikes! That is some serious propaganda you are shoveling there. The pro-Russian militants "protecting" the site didn't do a very good job, all kinds of evidence was moved around and even the dead passengers belongings were pilfered as well. Not to mention those same people "protecting" the site were part of the same group responsible for downing this passenger jet in the first place.
Then why were there positively identified Russian citizens among the pro-Russian militants preventing access to the crash scenes?
We all know that Putin publicly demanded an open investigation. That's worth about the same as anything he publicly proclaims. At the same time, pro-Russian separatists were keeping out investigators.
Good gawd, there are Americans and Australians citizens among the ISIS, are you saying America and Australia are sponsoring the ISIS now? Well, I guess you could say America is given the training camps they have had in Jordan for over a year now, and the fact the ISIS is trained and armed enough to fight Syria, the Kurds, and the US trained Iraqi army all at once and win.
And has been stated numerous times before; the initial access was denied because the Ukrainian army wanted to go with the investigators, so basically Ukraine wanted to take advantage of the situation and gain territory, and the rebels refused this request.
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Originally Posted by musiqum
You better answer why do you think it was true? Because ukrainian president Poroshenko told the western public about it? Pro-russian militants were protecting the site and waited independent international monitors, but Ukrainian president told them he can't guarantee their safety on the site because of those "terrorists" (and this is why international monitors thought that the rebs trying to block access to the area which is wasn't true), but at the same time, ukrainian army bombed the area to destroy any survived evidence. The question is why the ukrainian army did it if there was not any strategical objects and any rebels troops there? Why it was so important to bomb this deserted area?
Too much false flag operations here.
It's not true. And independent international investigators didn't confirm this later.
I believe it because I've seen the investigators being interviewed soon after, and because I've seen the Russian missile launcher returning to Russia.
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Originally Posted by k350
Good gawd, there are Americans and Australians citizens among the ISIS, are you saying America and Australia are sponsoring the ISIS now? Well, I guess you could say America is given the training camps they have had in Jordan for over a year now, and the fact the ISIS is trained and armed enough to fight Syria, the Kurds, and the US trained Iraqi army all at once and win.
And has been stated numerous times before; the initial access was denied because the Ukrainian army wanted to go with the investigators, so basically Ukraine wanted to take advantage of the situation and gain territory, and the rebels refused this request.
Well at least you are being truthful about access being denied.
This is not a thread about ISIS. What we did is beyond stupid. But that doesn't excuse Russia from plotting to take Eastern Ukraine ..... all in Putin's time, as he feints and parries.
He did, you would have to actually read the news to understand this though.
Russia as a democracy is currently only 23 years old. No genocide and mass killings have occurred during this 23 years. As part of the Soviet Union, the worse atrocities were committed under Stalin, who was Georgian, not Russian. Before the USSR, Russia was a monarchy in which the people had little power in the affairs of Russia, and in which the tsars were in fact mostly ethnically German.
Good gawd, the "Putin is KGB" fallacy argument again, never heard this one before. Bush was former head of the CIA, so what is your point?
Oh yes, when the Soviet Union, in which Russia and Ukraine were part of, along with some Warsaw Pact countries, invaded those tow countries. This has to do with Russia how?
The Invasion of Czechoslovakia consisted not only the USSR, but Poland, Hungary, and Bulgaria and whopping 100 people killed on the Czech side. Oh yes, led by who? Soviet leader Brezhev, and minister of defense Grechko, both Ukrainian. I guess we can get into the Hungarian invasion later.
Putin as KGB as an argument yet again but you've never heard it before; pick one "K" lest contradicting yourself becomes your norm.
Yeah I saw Putin's lips moving but you know what that means when a KGB man is talking? I'm glad you have accepted the connection to the KGB and if Putin starts carrying a 'BB' tipped umbrella be afraid, vey afraid! Bush and the CIA build a gulag out in Arizona we've yet to discover? We were talking about Russian citizens feeling the pain of the leadership purges weren't we?
Russia as a democracy has not garnered one day of lifespan yet, we remain optimistic however that in the not too distant future they'll get it right with that secret ballot thingy.
You say USSR; we say potatoe. You say Russia; we say 'same frigg'n root crop'.
What, are they painting their tanks a different colour now?
Woof, Odanny, BruSan and others. If you refuse to read old threads about malaysian plane where all your questions were answered then please read at least these articles (I have no time to keep talking about it over and over) :
I believe it because I've seen the investigators being interviewed soon after, and because I've seen the Russian missile launcher returning to Russia.
You are victim of the anti-russian propaganda. You've seen the video with ukrainian missle launcher. And it was already proved. And the US authorities didn't confirm it.
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Originally Posted by Woof
This is not a thread about ISIS. What we did is beyond stupid. But that doesn't excuse Russia from plotting to take Eastern Ukraine ..
OMG! You are seriously deluded. Ask Joe Biden son who is plotting to take Eastern Ukraine for real!
Did you know that there is a huge deposit of shale gas was found there?
"The thief yells stop thief" - a great trick to put people on the wrong track.
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