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Old 12-20-2007, 10:42 AM
 
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Christmas And The Constitution Can Co-Exist





December 19, 2007

Americans United Urges Government Officials To Remember Constitution When Erecting Holiday Displays

Church-State Watchdog Group Tells Local Officials That Christmas And The Constitution Can Co-Exist

Public officials should avoid using the holiday season to promote one religion over others, says Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

Because of pressure from Religious Right groups and their allies, some communities nationwide are displaying religious symbols improperly at government buildings and other public property.

http://www.au.org/site/News2?JServSe...s_iv_ctrl=1241

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Old 12-20-2007, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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The law does not "bar government from pormoting one faith over others."

The Constitution does SAY "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION..."

Does no one in this country understand the difference between a local government and Congress? Or, for that matter between "Americans United" and the Congress?

No one has ever elected Barry Lynn to any office; he has no legal dictatorial power of the rest of us. "Americans United" is just one more narrow-minded political pressure group. The last time I checked, such groups had no more legal power than any of us. Why should we submit to their bloodless vision of what our country is about?
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:14 PM
 
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The law does not "bar government from pormoting one faith over others."

The Constitution does SAY "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION..."

Does no one in this country understand the difference between a local government and Congress? Or, for that matter between "Americans United" and the Congress?

No one has ever elected Barry Lynn to any office; he has no legal dictatorial power of the rest of us. "Americans United" is just one more narrow-minded political pressure group. The last time I checked, such groups had no more legal power than any of us. Why should we submit to their bloodless vision of what our country is about?
Dude, the Constitution grants the government no power over religion.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Dude, the Constitution grants the government no power over religion.
The Constitution says what it says. Period.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:22 PM
 
Location: DFW, TX
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Dude, the Constitution grants the government no power over religion.
You can make that assertion, but substitute federal government for government. The Constitution does not forbid State or local governments from establishing laws regarding religion, or even from forming an official religion. That is up to the State's constitution.

CT had a State religion up until 1818.

That said, I think it would be horrible for a State to make the mistake of forming an official religion and regulating religions. But re-read the Constitution if you believe otherwise.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I would have no problem if any particular state set up a "state religion". It would cause far more problems than it would solve, and end as a colossal failure.
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Old 12-21-2007, 03:30 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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You can make that assertion, but substitute federal government for government. The Constitution does not forbid State or local governments from establishing laws regarding religion, or even from forming an official religion. That is up to the State's constitution.

CT had a State religion up until 1818.

That said, I think it would be horrible for a State to make the mistake of forming an official religion and regulating religions. But re-read the Constitution if you believe otherwise.
Your statements would be correct prior to the application of the 14th amendment. That made all enumerated government limitations not just on the federal governement but state governments also.
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Old 12-21-2007, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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The Constitution says what it says. Period.
"says" using your modern interpretation or interpretation of the language and meaning when the Constitution was adopted?
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Old 12-21-2007, 04:17 PM
 
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The Constitution says what it says. Period.
True. But, it means what the "rules of construction" say it means.
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Old 12-21-2007, 04:19 PM
 
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You can make that assertion, but substitute federal government for government. The Constitution does not forbid State or local governments from establishing laws regarding religion, or even from forming an official religion. That is up to the State's constitution.

CT had a State religion up until 1818.

That said, I think it would be horrible for a State to make the mistake of forming an official religion and regulating religions. But re-read the Constitution if you believe otherwise.
Read the 14th Amendment, dude.
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