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Old 08-18-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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So what to do?

Importing more people/amnesty just makes this worse.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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A progressive is decrying progress.

The irony is dripping...
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It sounds like a good case for basic income.
Who will pay for it if all jobs are eliminated?
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: SC
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Drastic population reduction is the only solution as long as we continue to automate.

During the transition, I hope you have a LOT of money set aside and most of your stuff is paid for. There will be a LOT of pain for those who cannot afford the things technology gives and are not qualified to do the jobs ahead of those being taken over by machine (think Soylent Green populations and poverty if you saw the movie).

Post transition, post population crash, life should be pretty sweet for those who survived. At 54, I think I will live long enough to start to see the worst of it, but not the best.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:09 AM
 
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A progressive is decrying progress.

The irony is dripping...
I'm not decrying it. What would be the point? Automation is on the horizon and no amount of denial is going to change that.
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Old 08-18-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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Drastic population reduction is the only solution as long as we continue to automate.

During the transition, I hope you have a LOT of money set aside and most of your stuff is paid for. There will be a LOT of pain for those who cannot afford the things technology gives and are not qualified to do the jobs ahead of those being taken over by machine (think Soylent Green populations and poverty if you saw the movie).

Post transition, post population crash, life should be pretty sweet for those who survived. At 54, I think I will live long enough to start to see the worst of it, but not the best.
I agree, the transition period is going to be harsh. And I don't believe we have the political will in place right now to deal with what's coming, which is going to make it worse before it gets better. I'm the same age as you, but I am more optimistic of coming out on the other side of this massive transformation of humanity and to see the new way of life that emerges from it. And I think it's going to happen sooner than most people realize.
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:21 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Drastic population reduction is the only solution as long as we continue to automate.

During the transition, I hope you have a LOT of money set aside and most of your stuff is paid for. There will be a LOT of pain for those who cannot afford the things technology gives and are not qualified to do the jobs ahead of those being taken over by machine (think Soylent Green populations and poverty if you saw the movie).

Post transition, post population crash, life should be pretty sweet for those who survived. At 54, I think I will live long enough to start to see the worst of it, but not the best.
We'd end up with something resembling the French or Russian revolutions first.
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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Anyone who wastes time worrying about a potential future and the impact of jobs, should really start studying antibiotic resistant bacteria. I mean seriously. FOCUS on something that may come true.

Innovation, capability, moves on. Sure tractors put out of work people with shovels. Sure trucks put out of work people with trains. the internet put out of work magazines. yet people are adaptable, innovative, and resourceful. You burn down the current forest of jobs you shouldn't cry, just prepare yourself for the next forest to rise from the phoenix's ashes.

The funny thing this innovation has been happening for what ? a few hundred if not thousands of years on some level.

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Old 08-18-2014, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm not decrying it. What would be the point? Automation is on the horizon and no amount of denial is going to change that.
Has automation ever previously caused mass job losses? No. Sure, jobs may have been lost in some fields due to automation but they have been replaced by jobs in other fields. Increased efficiency has generally been good for the economy as a whole and, thus, employment.

That doesn't mean that will always be the case and I do fear we may reach a "tipping point" of sorts where automation goes too far, but it really doesn't jive with the laws of economics or with history.
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:43 PM
 
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Has automation ever previously caused mass job losses? No. Sure, jobs may have been lost in some fields due to automation but they have been replaced by jobs in other fields. Increased efficiency has generally been good for the economy as a whole and, thus, employment.

That doesn't mean that will always be the case and I do fear we may reach a "tipping point" of sorts where automation goes too far, but it really doesn't jive with the laws of economics or with history.
All I can tell you is to watch the video and see how and why this is different from any kind of evolution of technology we have seen in the past. We have already reached the tipping point. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle. It will be a different world we're facing in the near future as automation and bots begin to impact virtually every aspect of the workforce.

To look at what happened in the past as an indication of what is coming is to hide your head in the sand.
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