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Old 08-25-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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Every civilization from the beginning of time has an upper/ruling class, a middle class, a lower class, and an under class. The ratios have changed from time to time, but their existence have never been in question. Why? Will there ever be a society without a lower or under class?
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Old 08-25-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Every civilization from the beginning of time has an upper/ruling class, a middle class, a lower class, and an under class. The ratios have changed from time to time, but their existence have never been in question. Why? Will there ever be a society without a lower or under class?
No......there is a natural picking order.
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Old 08-25-2014, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Middle class is a fairly modern and contrived economic class when applied to the masses.

Middle class, in a post WW2 enviornment , was bolstered by governments and unions.

As it relates to the US, the unions lifted the masses into middle class which was swell while it lasted. Global competition and technology changed all that. The GI bill sent returning veterans to school which enabled many to qualify for better paying jobs than those with limited education.

Despite the economic boom of the 50's, 20% of the US population lived in dire poverty. Households headed by single mothers and the elderly comprised a majority of the poor.

US households headed by single mothers likely remains the greatest predictor of generational poverty.

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Old 08-25-2014, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The economy requires a trapped underclass to remind the workers that the alternative of showing up and doing what your are told is even worse than surrendering your freedom for money.
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Old 08-25-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Every civilization from the beginning of time has an upper/ruling class, a middle class, a lower class, and an under class. The ratios have changed from time to time, but their existence have never been in question. Why? Will there ever be a society without a lower or under class?
best quote I ever heard about this was in a movie:
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I've been such a fool, Vassili. Man will always be a man. There is no new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where there'd be nothing to envy your neighbour. But there's always something to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love. - Commisar Danilov speaking to Vasilli Zaitzev in "Enemy at the Gates"
Humans are born unequal, so says the laws of probability and rules of random distribution. Expecting equal outcomes from such unequal inputs is absurd and represents the height of Man's hubris.
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Old 08-25-2014, 08:21 AM
 
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It's always great having a cheap underclass to abuse for those who are not part of it.
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Old 08-25-2014, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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No, but society can allow for greater mobility of individuals between classes.
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Old 08-25-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Until we have unlimited resources, yes there is a need. There will always be winners and losers, when we have limited resources.

Now, if we lived in star trek days where a replicator could use any matter to materialize food, basically limitless energy sources, and no need for life sustaining resources, then no, there is no reason for an underclass. But that is not the world we live in, and it won't be for a long long time.
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Old 08-25-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Until we have unlimited resources, yes there is a need. There will always be winners and losers, when we have limited resources.

Now, if we lived in star trek days where a replicator could use any matter to materialize food, basically limitless energy sources, and no need for life sustaining resources, then no, there is no reason for an underclass. But that is not the world we live in, and it won't be for a long long time.
Essentially, until the first two basic needs of survival and safety are automatic, perfectly equal for everyone, and require no effort on the part of the individual, you'll have a natural amount of inequality.
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Old 08-25-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Until we have unlimited resources, yes there is a need. There will always be winners and losers, when we have limited resources.

Now, if we lived in star trek days where a replicator could use any matter to materialize food, basically limitless energy sources, and no need for life sustaining resources, then no, there is no reason for an underclass. But that is not the world we live in, and it won't be for a long long time.

The World provides enough for everyone's need just not everyone's greed.
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