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No, I'm going to tell you that your two trivial assertions do not address the fundamental question, and are irrelevant to the discussion.
No. That CO2 absorbs heat and increases temperature is a fundamental part of the global warming argument. There is no conversation to be had if you can't accept a simple fact. It's also something that's been known for over a hundred years, not some new Al Gore invention.
No. That CO2 absorbs heat and increases temperature is a fundamental part of the global warming argument. There is no conversation to be had if you can't accept a simple fact. It's also something that's been known for over a hundred years, not some new Al Gore invention.
I know it's a fundamental part of the argument. I also know that the argument is neither sound nor proven.
That's why I don't accept your premises.
That CO2 molecules and a narrow wavelength of spectrum interact is not in question. What is in question is "what is the ultimate effect" is wholly not just in question, it is largely unknown.
I don't accept the premise that the claims about energy absorption and loss and that they have any significant impact are true. Further, I also do not accept the notion that the results would be detrimental or even bad, they could be good.
Thus, are at an impasse. You peddling a un-provable theory used to justify absolute control by the government, and me understanding science and realizing your arguments simply have no substance. Further, that absolute control by government is far more devastating to the welfare of humanity than any climate change.
So you do at least agree that CO2 absorbs heat? All of those other arguments may be valid and don't revolve around the physical properties of carbon dioxide.
Denying reality makes one a denier. Either prove it correct or quit being so politically correct that people shouldn't use the correct term because it hurts your feelings. Being called a denier doesn't suddenly disprove science because it hurts your fragile feelings.
I would stay that pushing a denial of science after being continually being debunked and crying is about as childish as being an adult crying when someone says Santa doesn't exist. Quit projecting onto others and grow up. Then you won't be treated like a child.
That's just the thing, weather station data was as correct and complete when the original B91 forms were sent out to NCDC as they ever would be without inventing missing data or substituting data that fits a preconceived notion of what the data should be (see GHCN v3).
The burden of proof is on the people claiming existing temperature records must be altered to insure accuracy.
I'll stick with the unadjusted numbers from remote weather stations where the lay of the land is essentially the same as it was when the station was installed.
When remote station after remote station shows no significant increase in temperature over numerous decades, and when the only way warmers can maintain their claims of continual warming is to "adjust" the temperature records from a century ago, the debate is over.
This is an infantile argument. None the less let's try education as a cure for ignorance: one of the fundamental approaches to problem solving in engineering is "end point analysis". Let's try that with CO2 and the greenhouse effect:
Venus mean surface temperature 863 °F. Atmosphere 96% CO2.
Moon mean surface temperature -64 °F Atmosphere 0.
Earth mean surface temperature 57 °F, Atmosphere 0.04% CO2
For those of you who want to assert Venus' temperature is due to it's position relative to the Sun -- wrong, Mercury is cooler than Venus -- 332 °F.
Without an atmosphere the Earth would be very much like the Moon. With a very high CO2 level, it would be very much like Venus. We want to preserve our "Goldilocks" position -- not to hot, not too cold -- just right.
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