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Um, did you not read the thread yesterday about Chicago and having a lower crime rate while having carry permits going up?
Many liberals shot down the argument quite effectively.
Maybe you just aren't looking in the right place?
I did read that thread, I didn't see how liberals shot down the argument effectively. I saw that some people were saying the concealed carry reduced crime, and some said it didn't. Neither side could prove how much, or how little concealed carry contributed to the lower crime rate. What has been proven many time over, is that liberals were just plain wrong when they insisted that concealed carry would increase violent crime, and "turn the streets red with blood".
No, we do not to make it illegal, laws do not cure the lack of Common Sense. But I have delivered a swift kick to the south side on more than one occasion when some moron cannot seem to or refuses to follow my instructions and the range rules, it is a lesson usually learned the first time it is applied. I lost count of the times I have had loaded weapons pointed at me and others on the range, even after a short class that emphasized Safety and most of all to never point a weapon at anyone or anything they do not intend to destroy. I used to carry and assembled rifle cleaning rod to assist in clearing jams and it came in very handy as a teaching tool for the hopelessly stupid.
People make mistakes, and sometimes safety violations happen, but they should be incredibly rare. If they aren't incredibly rare, it's the instructor and his/her instruction methods, not the students fault.
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That is because guns are legal, and that doesn't need to change.
No need to change means nothing to say (crickets).
Advocating removal of all controls, allowing a 9 year old (or any normal citizen for that matter) to have free access to an Uzi is a different topic, and tends to bring some out of the woodwork.
The same could be said for your side. I haven't seen too many pro-gun people post threads saying that they support gun rights, but gee-whiz, look at the cost of it. That would not support their agenda, and therefore wouldn't make sense, would it?
Nobody wants to see people injured or killed in gun accidents, but we need to keep the number of accidents in prospective. There are millions of people carrying guns, and participating in hunting, and recreational shooting everyday in this country, accidents are very rare. Car accidents injure and killed far more people than guns every year. Drunk driver kill as many people as are murdered by people using guns, but nobody is calling for car bans, or alcohol bans. Lets's also remember that gun ownership is protected under the Constitution, cars, and alcohol are not. Again, lets keep things in prospective.
Nobody wants to see people injured or killed in gun accidents, but we need to keep the number of accidents in prospective. There are millions of people carrying guns, and participating in hunting, and recreational shooting everyday in this country, accidents are very rare. Car accidents injure and killed far more people than guns every year. Drunk driver kill as many people as are murdered by people using guns, but nobody is calling for car bans, or alcohol bans. Lets's also remember that gun ownership is protected under the Constitution, cars, and alcohol are not. Again, lets keep things in prospective.
Are you kidding? Lot's of people have called for the ban of alcohol (mostly those on the far right).
Nobody here is calling for a gun ban, but I am suggesting that controls would be good.
Heck, if you look at a previous post, it could be twisted around to say that a "car ban" already exists. Shooting4life equated my suggestion of controls that would not allow an 8 year old to shoot a fully automatic uzi. Well, we already won't let a 9 year old drive a car, so by the same way my words were twisted, there already exists a ban on cars.
I don't believe that, but if I apply the same slippery logic then it would appear so.
And I don't believe you want to see people get killed either. I just wish we (society) could have an honest discussion about ANYTHING where people didn't twist things around. In a perfect world, we'd be able to protect gun rights and not feel threatened by having some common sense rules to prevent tragedies like the one we are discussing today.
People make mistakes, and sometimes safety violations happen, but they should be incredibly rare. If they aren't incredibly rare, it's the instructor and his/her instruction methods, not the students fault.
They are rare but with some people they simply refuse to learn, as I said before more than one person has been asked to leave the range and in a few very rare cases told not to return. I agree if the student has not been properly taught it is the instructors fault if/when something bad happens, everyone has to take personal responsibility for their own actions.
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Advocates of absolutely no control on guns: Was this girl a thug?
