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Old 08-30-2014, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Natural gas is cheap and plentiful. Take, for instance, the Haynesville Shale in NW Louisiana. It's still chock full of natural gas, but there's no one getting it out because the market is absolutely glutted with natural gas and it's dirt cheap.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:27 AM
 
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Burning coal also throws radioactive thorium and other radioactive materials into the atmosphere. Fly ash, the residue of coal burning, is highly radioactive as well.

LOL..... everything is radioactive. Do you have granite countertops? We're all going to die!




This graph is little bit dated and updated ones will have more attributed to medical reasons. Coal falls under the "other" slice.
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:31 AM
 
Location: The South
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Good for them. Thw world needs to wean itself from coal. There are always vested interests that will fight any changes. We need to spur the growth of new technologies rather than mindlessly using a 18th century technology that is responsible for so many environmental ills.

coal power: air pollution | Union of Concerned Scientists
So if you need to lose weight you stop eating completely for 3 months? Same scenario with weaning off coal means a wounded and limping economy.

It's January and you say we will no longer buy processed food, we will grow our own. No hydroponics and have to wait until spring to plant and early summer to harvest. What will you eat in the meantime.. the deer your harvested last fall and some hickory nuts you found buried by a squirrel?

All things in good time.

This administration has done more to destroy our economy than any foreign enemy yet stays solvent only through tax on big oil.

Regs require technology that does not yet exist. You think that is sound management?
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Old 08-30-2014, 08:39 AM
 
Location: US
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Obama promised the EPA he would bankrupt coal, and he is doing so.
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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Obama promised the EPA he would bankrupt coal, and he is doing so.
Got a link or are you just making stuff up?
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:02 AM
 
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Got a link or are you just making stuff up?
Here ya go.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RevRZaZQpk
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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This isn't just about a dock. We are talking about coal travelling entire length of Oregon's scenic Columbia river by train, barge, and ship, with two transfer points.

Coyote Island is 260 miles inland. Coal would arrive at Coyote Island from Montana by train, then by barge 200 miles downstream on the meandering Columbia River to Port Westwind, then transfer to ocean going vessels and travel another 60 miles downstream to the Pacific.

"The Coyote Island Terminal is a coal export project proposed by Ambre Energy at the Port of Morrow in Boardman, Oregon.
Ambre Energy would bring up to 8.8 million tons of coal a year by train from Montana and/or Wyoming to Boardman. The company would store the coal in covered storage buildings at the Port of Morrow before transferring it to barges using an enclosed conveyor system. The barges would then take the coal down the Columbia River to Port Westward in Clatskanie, where crews would transfer it onto ocean-going ships bound for Asia. "

State of Oregon: Department of Environmental Quality
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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This isn't just about a dock. We are talking about coal travelling entire length of Oregon's scenic Columbia river by train, barge, and ship, with two transfer points.

Coyote Island is 260 miles inland. Coal would arrive at Coyote Island from Montana by train, then by barge 200 miles downstream on the meandering Columbia River to Port Westwind, then transfer to ocean going vessels and travel another 60 miles downstream to the Pacific.

"The Coyote Island Terminal is a coal export project proposed by Ambre Energy at the Port of Morrow in Boardman, Oregon.
Ambre Energy would bring up to 8.8 million tons of coal a year by train from Montana and/or Wyoming to Boardman. The company would store the coal in covered storage buildings at the Port of Morrow before transferring it to barges using an enclosed conveyor system. The barges would then take the coal down the Columbia River to Port Westward in Clatskanie, where crews would transfer it onto ocean-going ships bound for Asia. "

State of Oregon: Department of Environmental Quality
So?

BNSF has been hauling coal down that right-of-way for years.

The whole proposal has been studied to minimize ecological impact. That the environazis are against it makes no sense.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: US
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Here's a couple for starts. Fines, costs, all will bankrupt coal. New plants can't be built and old ones cannot afford to stay. Now in the youtube video early on, he sort of gives the appearance of supporting coal, but as we can see by his actions, he wants coal out.

EPA Plan to Curb New Coal-Fired Power Plants - WSJ

Ohio coal industry says Obama promised to bankrupt coal-fired power plant builders | PolitiFact Ohio


Obama's Promise the Bankrupt the Coal Industry - YouTube

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