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Old 08-30-2014, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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Maybe so, but I don't see any negative impact on me personally.
It's not so much negative as just not enough, trying to rail car enough oil into a 200,000 barrel per day refinery is nearly impossible, and then figure how many refineries those rail cars need to serve.

We need a pipeline from the Bakken Crude to the refineries on the east coast and the southern US. Not that tar sands crap that only a few refineries in the US can even make anything out of it except asphalt.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Rail is a much more expensive way to transport than by pipeline. It also burns a lot of diesel to pull a train....and the risk of derailment and spills is probably an order of magnitude greater than the chance of a major leak on a pipeline. Not to mention the congestion and traffic delays they cause. Hey, if we don't care about the cost, pollution and traffic congestion, it's a great alternative! But still...the brain dead will oppose pipelines and promote rail because...well, they aren't all that bright. And their dear leaders told them to.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Railways have established right of ways. New pipelines require eminent domain and theft of land.
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Old 08-30-2014, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Railways have established right of ways. New pipelines require eminent domain and theft of land.
Not necessarily. XL if ever built will be on the same ROW in some places. In thirty years of building these things, we end up in a lot of the same places over and over again... and on the same ROW.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Rail is good for this country. You should be happy.
perhaps, but with the exception of Amtrak. It costs US taxpayers $32 every time someone boards an Amtrak train:
Amtrak subsidies total $32 per passenger, private study says - USATODAY.com

And Amtrak cheeseburgers sell for $9.50, but cost taxpayers $16.15 to produce:
Mica math: Amtrak's $16 burger vs. McDonald's $1 burger - Adam Snider - POLITICO.com

I suppose this would make you happy if you're a tax reaper, but if a tax payer it would not.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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perhaps, but with the exception of Amtrak. It costs US taxpayers $32 every time someone boards an Amtrak train:
Amtrak subsidies total $32 per passenger, private study says - USATODAY.com

And Amtrak cheeseburgers sell for $9.50, but cost taxpayers $16.15 to produce:
Mica math: Amtrak's $16 burger vs. McDonald's $1 burger - Adam Snider - POLITICO.com

I suppose this would make you happy if you're a tax reaper, but if a tax payer it would not.
Despite the Laws of Physics, AMTRAK illustrates that to really, really foul things up, you need GOVERNMENT.
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Old 08-31-2014, 12:27 AM
 
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perhaps, but with the exception of Amtrak. It costs US taxpayers $32 every time someone boards an Amtrak train:
Amtrak subsidies total $32 per passenger, private study says - USATODAY.com

And Amtrak cheeseburgers sell for $9.50, but cost taxpayers $16.15 to produce:
Mica math: Amtrak's $16 burger vs. McDonald's $1 burger - Adam Snider - POLITICO.com

I suppose this would make you happy if you're a tax reaper, but if a tax payer it would not.
Please.

You're a reaper yourself. Deflate that chest and head a little bit.

Rail is good for this country. I'll leave it at that.
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Old 08-31-2014, 01:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by wutitiz View Post
perhaps, but with the exception of Amtrak. It costs US taxpayers $32 every time someone boards an Amtrak train:
Amtrak subsidies total $32 per passenger, private study says - USATODAY.com

And Amtrak cheeseburgers sell for $9.50, but cost taxpayers $16.15 to produce:
Mica math: Amtrak's $16 burger vs. McDonald's $1 burger - Adam Snider - POLITICO.com

I suppose this would make you happy if you're a tax reaper, but if a tax payer it would not.
It's clear that you didn't even read the study. Perhaps you should before you make yourself look silly again.

If you're in the belief that the U.S. doesn't use much oil, then you are quite mistaken. There is a huge demand for oil in the U.S. and there will be for several decades.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Yes, but very inefficient in moving liquids and gas compared to pipelines. Not even close.
Well, maybe we should do a little bit of both.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Cali
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Despite the Laws of Physics, AMTRAK illustrates that to really, really foul things up, you need GOVERNMENT.
AMTRAK ought to be privatized. I do believe that we can have a national passenger railroad that can be both profitable and efficient.
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