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Old 08-31-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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FAIL..

no one is paying out of their pockets except future generations who have to pay for the federal debt being created.

You never know what you are talking about but continue to babble this hate regardless..
So why engage him? He's just here for the troll.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:05 PM
 
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How many people do you think that is in this country who actually pay the full cost of their health care out of their pockets without private or government health care and arent able to take a tax deductions like a business would? How many people get ACA subsidies? Most people cant answer those questions.
Medicare doesn't even cover the cost of treatment for hospitals/doctors (and the recent reports I've seen is people pay in $100,000 into Medicare and get $300,000 in treatment in return on average). I imagine Medicaid is the same. It's a messed up system, and it doesn't address our actual health lifestyles, our demands for top-notch treatment for everything from birth-til-death, malpractice lawsuits, ect.
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Old 08-31-2014, 09:09 PM
 
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Awesome.
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Old 08-31-2014, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Medicare doesn't even cover the cost of treatment for hospitals/doctors (and the recent reports I've seen is people pay in $100,000 into Medicare and get $300,000 in treatment in return on average). I imagine Medicaid is the same. It's a messed up system, and it doesn't address our actual health lifestyles, our demands for top-notch treatment for everything from birth-til-death, malpractice lawsuits, ect.
Actually, Medicare pays pretty good. I have been on it for 4 years and see the statements that they pay my GP and specialist. They are doing ok. So are the hospitals.

Fed funding has been given to hospitals for years. With expanded Medicaid that separate additional funding is going away. Also, Medicare payments to hospitals is decreasing as well with the expanded Medicaid expected to make up any differences in both cases.

The states not accepting expanded Medicaid are getting a double hit on these decreases in fed funding. They have 2 choices. Take the expanded Medicaid or else cough up money on their own to make up these decreases. Prediction - once they start getting the unpaid bills and seeing their hospitals close (already happening), they'll fold and take the expanded Medicaid.
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Old 09-01-2014, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Republican Tennessee Governor now wants back in.
The Democrat governor before him called it "The mother of all unfunded mandates." It made the national news and many believe he lost a chance for an Obama appointed position because of it.

By the way, that TN Democrat governor term limited out, he was not voted out.
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The Unaffordable and I don't care act is hurting more people than it helps. My daughter, now a former Dem voter, is a good example of someone hurt tremendously by the stupid law. She had an excellent health policy with a deductible of $1250 before the Act became law and now has a deductible of over $6000. She is a hairdresser and makes just over the minimum to receive a subsidized policy. She went from having and accessing good health care to not using health care because of the cost. She will now be forced to make less and qualify for the subsidized policy or work another job. She was all for Obama-I-don't-care until she found out how much it hurt her personally. There are a few people that benefited, the ones that are getting subsidized policies and those who had a lot of medical conditions that now don't get penalized for having a host of medical problems.

If the Unaffordable Care Act was so great, Dems wouldn't be worried about losing the Senate in this election cycle like they are.
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Purgatory
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Keep up with the news, more people are dropping out every day than are signing up. obamacare is a failed program and is doomed...
We can thank the GOP commercials encourage the younger generation to do so for that. They just don't want it to work. They will go to any lengths to ruin our country just to say " i told you so."

Can you think of ANY examples of a political party in the last 100yrs telling people to disobey the law?? (Not just one person but a whole f'n party!)
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Old 09-01-2014, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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The conservative mantra of health care: if your poor, uninsured and cant get treatment for your pancreatic cancer, its completely your fault and you deserve to die
No, conservatives expect you to pester your relatives, friends and neighbors for money to pay for your health care. If they refuse, then you surely are worthless and deserve to die.
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Old 09-01-2014, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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In Oklahoma, the Democrat running against the Republican incumbent for governor says he is for Medicaid expansion. He is only running 5 to 10 points behind in the polls. It will be interesting to see if the Democrat ends up winning. Most Oklahoma political experts say he can't win.
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Old 09-01-2014, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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BTW, these states that didn't utilize this taxpayer funded benefit will eventually due to it's not good politics to turn down federal money....it's still bad law.
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