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Originally Posted by Driller1
Come back when you grow up.
It's amazing how that works... my son and I have a political discussion about once a year and it's an amazing transformation to watch.
I ask his views at 18 as he went off to college. They changed more and more with each life event. From graduating college, to getting married... and now... as a soon to be dad...
We all thought at 18 we could, "change-the-world" for the better. Now.. at my age... I'll feel fortunate to become worm dirt without it being any worse...
In the UK the National Health Service is a god send! It's free, and everyone is equal (though imo non-UK citizens should pay insurance!)! I've watched some American TV programs on the internet and I got quite angry that Walter White had to think about funding to help his cancer. In a British perspective it seems absolutely absurd! Only the rich will get a brilliant health service, while the middle classes have to scrape the barrel to get a health service and the poor just have to die! How is this fair? what happened to compassion in America? I thought America was a Christian nation? I thought America was the land of the Liberty? To me, it just seems like the Government doesn't care about the people, and just it's money making self!
Now I can understand why non-citizens should have to pay insurance. But that aside, America is apparently the richest nation on earth - So why are Americas poorest suffering? Please, help me understand why so many Americans are so opposed to the NHS?
Why would you think Americans hate a Universal Single Payer system? Actually, the opposite is true.
As I understand it, in the UK and Canada, the healthcare is clinic based. In the US, it's more hospital based, which is much more expensive to dispense. For an NHS system to work in the US, we'd need to create more healthcare clinics.
I think that in the cities, there needs to be reasonably priced clinics that are open 24/7 so that the emergency rooms could focus on trauma care.
Through taxes. But not through expensive and independent companies like in America, where they can rip Americans off through unfair insurance while many Americans can't afford it! At the end of the day, Heath Insurance corporations don't care about the poor man living on the streets, they only care about making themselves more money! Money making and healthcare shouldn't be mixed together!
Read it again because it answers the question quite well:
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Originally Posted by aus10
You have roughly 63 million people right? We have roughly 313 million. We have 43% who pay no federal income tax. So we have roughly 143 million who pay no taxes. HHHmmm... bet you wouldn't have "free" health insurance either if you were dealing with those numbers. Honestly... if we had say a 85 to 90% tax payment record, where 85% of ALL Americans were paying I'd think that single payer should be considered.
You can't offer the NHS as a viable alternative to the American system with the deficiencies in the NHS are as bad or worse than the US. By the way, it took me about five minutes to find those.
Also, the NHS isn't "free". It is paid for by taxes, so instead of paying for healthcare directly, the costs are merely hidden in various taxes.
Also, for all its faults the American healthcare system is a major leader in innovation. Most surgeries, treatments, medications, and medical equipment are developed in the US. If the healthcare system was fully nationalized that would take away the incentive for many companies to develop those products because the profit motive has been removed.
You have roughly 63 million people right? We have roughly 313 million. We have 43% who pay no federal income tax. So we have roughly 143 million who pay no taxes. HHHmmm... bet you wouldn't have "free" health insurance either if you were dealing with those numbers. Honestly... if we had say a 85 to 90% tax payment record, where 85% of ALL Americans were paying I'd think that single payer should be considered.
Can I ask. What class isn't paying the 43% federal income tax? Or is it about state?
Also, why aren't 100% of people paying tax? It seems unfair that some are paying into the system, whereas other aren't!
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