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Old 09-11-2014, 09:31 AM
 
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Please address the bulk of my post.
I did. Meanwhile, you have so far FAILED to cite the limit placed on the number of religions protected by Title IV. Of course, that would be because a limit of such doesn't exist.

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It's YOUR argument that the school is not accommodating Muslim students.
No, it isn't. My argument is that the school district discriminated against students of all other religions when only Muslim students were given an unrequested prayer room.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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The school district decided to and then gave Muslim students only an unrequested prayer room. That's what makes it a Title IV violation: the school district illegally discriminated on the basis of religion on its own initiative.
Actually, no, the school asked the Muslim students to use a vacant room, so that other students would not have their school day disrupted. Since the accommodation is to the larger student body, no discrimination.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:32 AM
 
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The Muslim students were asked to observe Salat in a vacant room. In order to accommodate the student body as a whole in providing the student body with a education without disruption or distraction.
You are attempting to use Logic with someone that ignores all Logic. It all becomes pointless in the end, they will simple repeat the same thing they have said here countless times, if they feel that confident in their stand they should take it to the courts and see how that goes.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:48 AM
 
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Actually, no, the school asked the Muslim students to use a vacant room, so that other students would not have their school day disrupted. Since the accommodation is to the larger student body, no discrimination.
If the public school gives students of one religion an unrequested room to be used for religious purposes, the same must be provided for all. The failure to do so is a clear violation of Title IV, which protects those of all religions from religious-based discrimination.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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If the public school gives students of one religion an unrequested room to be used for religious purposes, the same must be provided for all. The failure to do so is a clear violation of Title IV, which protects those of all religions from religious-based discrimination.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Actually, no, the school asked the Muslim students to use a vacant room
For religious purposes. That's what triggers all the other students' Title IV protection.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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For religious purposes. That's what triggers all the other students' Title IV protection.
Since it is not the Muslim students benefiting-----YOUR argument says they are not, because it's not something they want, need or have requested, the accommodation is to the student body, and not for religious purposes, but for educational purposes. An education is served by not having distractions or disruptions of the educational process. So the purpose here isn't religious, it's educational.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:09 AM
 
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Since it is not the Muslim students benefiting
According to who? People of many different religions would welcome an unrequested separate room provided in a public facility in which to focus on prayer without the ever present distractions public facilities present. But only Muslims were provided such in that public school. Clear Title IV violation.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:13 AM
 
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According to who? People of many different religions would welcome an unrequested separate room provided in a public facility in which to focus on prayer without the ever present distractions public facilities present. But only Muslims were provided such in that public school. Clear Title IV violation.
According to YOU. You are the one saying that they didn't need a vacant room, didn't want a vacant room, didn't request a vacant room. If I give you the orange blouse that I decided I'm not going to wear anymore, and you don't need that orange blouse, don't want that orange blouse, didn't ask for that orange blouse, how do you benefit from getting something you don't need or want, and haven't requested?

And if so many people of different religions attending this school do want this separate room, why don't they request it?

Since unrequested is such a significant issue for you, why don't you think about why the school asked the students to use a vacant room? Who did the school think would benefit? Maybe the student body, which would not have their school day disrupted?
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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Some of you are twisting yourselves in knots trying desperately to avoid the blatantly obvious: what the public school in the OP did is a clear Title IV violation. If a public school provides an unrequested separate prayer facility for those of one religion, it must provide the same for all.
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