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That has to do with the relationship between the parents and not the children. You do not need a legal document to be a good parent to your child, to raise productive children, or to be active in your childrens lives. You're entire premise makes no logical sense...
No it doesn't, it has everything to do with providing for the woman and child as they could not provide for themselves since taking care of children back in the day was much more difficult and woman had more children to offset the higher mortality rate.
The table in the linked article is extremely deceiving. It lists high percentages of black father who are living with their children who have meals with them, bath them, read to them etc. All well and good, but the key statistic is missing: how many of them actually do live with their children?
Here is a study from Pew Research that indicates that black fathers are twice as likely to live apart from their children as white fathers (44% vs. 21%). Going back to the original study linked shows that when fathers live apart from their children their involvement dwindles to near nothing.
No it doesn't, it has everything to do with providing for the woman and child as they could not provide for themselves since taking care of children back in the day was much more difficult and woman had more children to offset the higher mortality rate.
Both mothers and fathers work now days, and most fathers of all races have no choice but to financially contribute to their children else have their credit ruined, be thrown in jail, have their licence suspended, etc.
What about married couples who are military and go on deployment? They aren't always in the home either, but are still involved and are financially supporting their children. Some of them see their children even less than an unmarried man who gets visitation. Using everyone's logic, are you will to say that children of Military parents are all worse off and can not be raised to be productive citizens?
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I cannot believe you are still trying to peddle using total numbers as the basis of your argument. It is sad really.
Its not sad at all, Its a factual argument that you can no refute.
If you want to argue per capita, then post an independent comment and discuss it, but you responded to me, so either refute my premise( which you cant) or admit you are wrong.
The table in the linked article is extremely deceiving. It lists high percentages of black father who are living with their children who have meals with them, bath them, read to them etc. All well and good, but the key statistic is missing: how many of them actually do live with their children?
Here is a study from Pew Research that indicates that black fathers are twice as likely to live apart from their children as white fathers (44% vs. 21%). Going back to the original study linked shows that when fathers live apart from their children their involvement dwindles to near nothing.
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What? Living apart does not = not involved. What part of that do you all not get? You all are trying your hardest at pulling a strawman's argument here.
The OP posted a study saying that AA men are apart of their children's lives, and you all are incorrectly trying to debunk that study by changing the topic of discussion to AA men aren't living with the mother of their children... One does NOT disprove the other!
What? Living apart does not = not involved. What part of that do you all not get? You all are trying your hardest at pulling a strawman's argument here.
The OP posted a study saying that AA men are apart of their children's lives, and you all are incorrectly trying to debunk that study by changing the topic of discussion to AA men aren't living with the mother of their children... One does NOT disprove the other!
Seriously?
What part of this chart (linked by the OP) do you not comprehend?
Look at the difference in these measures of involvement between fathers that live with their children and those that do not. Just to take one example, 34.9% of those who live with their children read to them, whereas only 7.8% who do not live with their children read to them. When you combine that statistic with the data from the Pew study I linked that 44% of black fathers do not live with their children (vs. 21% of white fathers) there is clearly cause for concern.
What part of this chart (linked by the OP) do you not comprehend?
Look at the difference in these measures of involvement between fathers that live with their children and those that do not. Just to take one example, 34.9% of those who live with their children read to them, whereas only 7.8% who do not live with their children read to them. When you combine that statistic with the data from the Pew study I linked that 44% of black fathers do not live with their children (vs. 21% of white fathers) there is clearly cause for concern.
What do you not comprehend about what I stated? Obviously any noncustodial parent who is no longer in the home is going to be "less" involved. That does NOT mean they aren't still actively involved. That does not mean they aren't going to games, school functions, calling on the phone, and spending time with their children during their scheduled visitation. Maybe they're not reading them stories every night, but instead are reading them stories during their scheduled parenting time.
The OP post is entitled "Myth: Black Men Aren't Raising Their Children." Nothing in your response refutes that, or anything I have said. We can say that men of all races who aren't living in the home spend "less" time with their children (obviously). We can say that Black men aren't spending as much time with their children because more of them are not living in the home. What we can not concluded from these studies is that "Black Men Aren't Raising Their Children" or are all MIA when it comes to their children...
It seems that men of all races who aren't living with the mother aren't spending "as much time" with their children. Maybe the cause for concern should be with Family Court system instead of looking at race because what that chart shows me is that if given the time & opportunity, men of all races would be more involved with their children..
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My Cousin and Her partner have 5 kids ; 26,24,22,16 and 15 And they have been together 28 total years
The argument that not being married means the same as the kids all have a different father is false. Welfare and foodstamps arent determined by marital status, they are determined by house hold income.
I don't understand how one anecdote negates millions of opposite examples. People aren't blind, we see what's going on out there.
This is coming from an African-American man, by the way. I could give plenty of anecdotes in the opposite direction and the stats bear it out, even though I'm lucky to know plenty of intact families and mothers who have multiple kids with one guy.
Nope. Generally speaking, the women aren't married because the men don't want to marry. They think having children for these men will keep them around and want to believe that the men see something special in them. The reality is that the men do not want to give up their freedom to deal with other women. Some are just interested in the physical and any other little things they can get from the women.
For most women, it has nothing to do with entitlements but rather companionship. It's more about doing what they think will keep the men around, which includes having their children. They want to believe they will be that special woman when the truth is that having a child for a man is not what keeps him.
Sad, but I've seen a lot of this out there.
However, it's not "the men", it's the "type of men" that are being chosen that creates this outcome.
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