What is wrong with retail/service being paid a "liveable" wage? (propaganda, banks)
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I'm going back to school as soon as I can afford it.
really....yet for many years you have been saying '''''you can't''''''
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Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
Sure I do I want to go back to school but can't afford it.
oh please....you have proven time and time again you are not interested in any type of self improvement
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Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
??? How does someone in a menial dead-end job improve their work skills?
been answered many, many times....you refuse to listen and learn from anyone
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Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
I can't find full time work, I have no marketable skills and employers prefer unskilled workers half my age, plus I have student loan debt that reduces what little available money I have.
many posters to including myself and one Mod, have given you many, many suggestions and avenues of approach for fixing and helping your situation......
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
but all you do is give excuses of why you cant....
many have suggested the library.....but you have an excuse of why you cant
many have suggested job shaddowing...but you have an excuse of why you cant
many have suggested grants, loans, etc....you have an exuses of why you cant
all you want to do is blame someone to include your parents, but you never look in the mirror
your 50+ years old man...get with the program
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
but you will have an excuse...you even bragg about how you are on you way to a 2/3 SS pension and are stealing from the government by working off the books
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Originally Posted by freemkt
I'm on track to get $900 a month from Social Security. Take that away and I'm in deep doo doo. Poor grandpa, that will be me in a few years.b
What's that you say, I should have saved for retirement? How much do you realistically expect people to save on a $15K income?
Originally Posted by workingclasshero
so let's see if I get this straight
your 50 something...and supposedly UNSKILLED (at 50...really?????)
you settle for a 15k a year job
save NOTHING
and then plan on getting a 2/3 pension when you retire (900/month is over 10k a year )
btw your contributions to ss 6%...6% of 15k is 900 A YEAR
so you think it good that you contribut 900 a year (and your employeer matches it) for you to get 900/month????? how liberal of you
funny thing is many posters to including myself and one Mod, have given you many, many suggestions and avenues of approach for fixing and helping your situation......
Not surprised to see the typical Conservative responses here.
You shouldn't be surprised. They are the answers anybody who understands basic economics would give you. They are the obvious answers that logically flow from cause and effect analysis rather than trying to force the world to fit an emotional left wing worldview.
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You should have gotten more skills Then what there will magically appear a job for me? This is what many college graduates are finding out there is no guarantee a job will be there and you still may be up to you neck in loans and no I am not just talking about people who get degrees in liberal arts.
No, a job won't magically appear when you've gotten some random skill. Apply some critical thinking. First you look at what jobs are available, then what skills are required for those jobs, and then go out to acquire the skills.
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These jobs were not meant to be a career What evidence do you have of that? Just because you saw a few teenagers work these jobs does not make them not careers. In fact if you go to apply for a job online for these jobs it does not say jobs it says careers.
Again, put your thinking cap on. You don't make a career out of doing something a 40 that a high school kid can do part time after school. That's just stupid.
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The market determines the value I would like to see evidence of this market value people keep coming up with it seems to be it is determinded by how much an employer wants to pay you. But saying you have low value you should not be paid much is just an excuse to be greedy for the business owner.
You want to see evidence of the market value? Open your eyes. It's everywhere around you. A skateboard costs less than a bicycle which costs less than a car. Is that a foreign concept to you? If not, what makes labor any different? Emptying trashcans pays less than designing a building which pays less than performing brain surgery. It takes a couple hours to become a janitor, a few years to become an architect, and over a decade to become a brain surgeon.
You shouldn't be surprised. They are the answers anybody who understands basic economics would give you. They are the obvious answers that logically flow from cause and effect analysis rather than trying to force the world to fit an emotional left wing worldview.
No, a job won't magically appear when you've gotten some random skill. Apply some critical thinking. First you look at what jobs are available, then what skills are required for those jobs, and then go out to acquire the skills.
Again, put your thinking cap on. You don't make a career out of doing something a 40 that a high school kid can do part time after school. That's just stupid.
You want to see evidence of the market value? Open your eyes. It's everywhere around you. A skateboard costs less than a bicycle which costs less than a car. Is that a foreign concept to you? If not, what makes labor any different? Emptying trashcans pays less than designing a building which pays less than performing brain surgery. It takes a couple hours to become a janitor, a few years to become an architect, and over a decade to become a brain surgeon.
Just because a job is available now does not mean it will be available once you graduate. Like I said before we have many graduates who cannot find a job in their field. If a bunch of more people get college degrees there are gonna be even less jobs for everyone. There are just not enough jobs for everyone if all get skills or education. So since when does if a high school student determine what defines a job? It seems nowadays what the jobs is more important then the people who do it and that the people who do the job need the money to survive. We are putting profits before people.
In what sense you guys say walmart can afford to raise labor cost? Do you know that Walmarts profit level is only 3%? Yes 3% and go try to operate a business with 3% margin yourself.
It is amazing that they can have a 3% yet there CEO gets a 25.6 million pay package.
It's amazing how many people believe that it's 1954, 1978, 1989 or even 2002 and all you need to do is to get education and jobss will be simply waiting for you. No, this is 2014. There is unemployment or radically diminished demand for people of ALL PROFESSIONS.
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Just because a job is available now does not mean it will be available once you graduate. Like I said before we have many graduates who cannot find a job in their field. If a bunch of more people get college degrees there are gonna be even less jobs for everyone. There are just not enough jobs for everyone if all get skills or education. So since when does if a high school student determine what defines a job? It seems nowadays what the jobs is more important then the people who do it and that the people who do the job need the money to survive. We are putting profits before people.
It is amazing that people cannot provide anything of value to their neighbor without renting themselves out as a "tool" to an employer who has figured out something of value that they can provide their neighbor. How much would "you" charge a neighbor who asked you to do something for an hour? If it is more than you are being as an "employee" to someone else, perhaps you should be working for yourself instead. If you can't get your neighbor to pay you more for something that you have to offer, then perhaps you are lucky that an "employer" will pay you.
It is amazing that they can have a 3% yet there CEO gets a 25.6 million pay package.
If you have revenues of 440 billion a year, 3% margin isn't all that difficult. Costco's run on half the margins of Walmart and they make twice the revenue on each employee than Walmart does, plus they pay employees much better. They also make more profit on each employee. How is that possible? That's economics 101.
I'll go extreme like many republicans and liberals like to, Walmart's goal is to bankrupt the United States by costing it millions a year in food stamps, plus getting federal subsidies and tax breaks.
Well, that was maybe a good idea in XIV century but not today, when professions became highly specialized. Just to cover healthcare you need about a 100 neighbors of different specialties exchanging services between themselves. Your idea of how a contemporary, highly advanced society would work is simply absurd.
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Originally Posted by irspow
It is amazing that people cannot provide anything of value to their neighbor without renting themselves out as a "tool" to an employer who has figured out something of value that they can provide their neighbor. How much would "you" charge a neighbor who asked you to do something for an hour? If it is more than you are being as an "employee" to someone else, perhaps you should be working for yourself instead. If you can't get your neighbor to pay you more for something that you have to offer, then perhaps you are lucky that an "employer" will pay you.
If you have revenues of 440 billion a year, 3% margin isn't all that difficult. Costco's run on half the margins of Walmart and they make twice the revenue on each employee than Walmart does, plus they pay employees much better. They also make more profit on each employee. How is that possible? That's economics 101.
I'll go extreme like many republicans and liberals like to, Walmart's goal is to bankrupt the United States by costing it millions a year in food stamps, plus getting federal subsidies and tax breaks.
Why don't you go take the job? I am pretty sure they would pay you 50 million.
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