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You aren't making any points. So, no need to address you.
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Originally Posted by Camlon
No one. It is like saying, who owns wild birds. Water flow from place to place, you cannot claim ownership of something that will only stay with you for a few minutes.
And you did not address a single of my points, I wonder why.
You aren't making any points. So, no need to address you.
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You are making an embarrassment of yourself. Let me tell you something, I am not even a libertarian. If you are not a socialist, we probably agree about a lot.
But I am against stupidity. If you want to argue against libertarianism, then find some better arguments next time.
This coming from the guy that did not even know that laissez faire and the free market are the same thing. You don't even know how ignorant you are. Ignorance must be bliss right? Don't answer that question it is a rhetorical question.
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Originally Posted by Camlon
Right
You are making an embarrassment of yourself. Let me tell you something, I am not even a libertarian. If you are not a socialist, we probably agree about a lot.
But I am against stupidity. If you want to argue against libertarianism, then find some better arguments next time.
This coming from the guy that did not even know that laissez faire and the free market are the same thing. You don't even know how ignorant you are. Ignorance must be bliss right? Don't answer that question it is a rhetorical question.
Pathetic. I already refuted that point, but it was among the points you refused to answer. When you refuse to answer, then you have pretty much lost the argument.
What mechanism would you put in its place to stop businesses from polluting and poisoning people?
Could you please provide a list of businesses that you think are currently "polluting and poisoning people," and what exactly it is that they are doing (what is the nature of the pollution and poisoning)?
Making allegations is one thing. Proving the allegations are true is another. I'd like to see the evidence you have. Or are you simply making the claim that they would pollute if not held in check by government?
You see, that's a little like saying, "All men would beat their wives if the government didn't have laws against it."
This is a beautiful description of what our ultra-rich who sit back and let their money do the working , speaking and thinking for them . It beats working for a living hands down.
There is nothing wrong with the concept of "putting your money to work." My father taught me this (unfortunately, I never learned to put it into practice). My father was not "rich" but he was quite comfortable, and was able to retire at a young age, because he invested.
Investment is good. Investment capital is what enables businesses to grow, to buy new plant equipment, and expand, which in turn provides jobs for people, new and innovative products that otherwise might never be brought to market, etc.
When a new business is begun, what the entrepreneur needs most is capital. In the beginning, an entrepreneur may rely on bank loans for the needed capital, but another way to do it is to cobble together a group of investors who see promise in the product. In return for their investment, they share in the profits (or loss, as the case may be).
When a company goes "public," it is selling shares to the general public (stock) in order to generate capital. That is how one "puts their money to work." That is how the economy grows, and that is good for America.
Here is what I found, corroborating my statement that it is mostly water (I was a little off on the percentage - it's about 98% water).
Hydraulic Fracturing Fluids - Composition and Additives
Republished from: Modern Shale Gas Development in the United States by the U.S. Department of Energy
"A wide variety of chemical additives are used in hydraulic fracturing fluids. They include: dilute acids, biocides, breakers, corrosion inhibitors, crosslinkers, friction reducers, gels, potassium chloride, oxygen scavengers, pH adjusting agents, scale inhibitors and surfactants. These chemical additives typically might make up just 1/2 to 2 percent of the fluid. The remaining 98 to 99 1/2 percent of the fluid is water. Proppants such as sand, aluminum shot or ceramic beads are frequently injected to hold fractures open after the pressure treatment is completed."
even if the Koch brother were not behind the push to dismantle the epa, I would be all for getting rid of that department and firing all of its employees.
Really? What do you have against clean air and clean water?
I consider myself an Agorist not a libertarian...though they have some similarity. Agorism will crash the system without a single shot or without initiating any force against anyone if enough join in.
Wow. So we spent a few thousand years to arrive at the point when the government reflects the will of the people through a democratic process that does not ignore any groups of citizens and you propose to dismantle it? I propose you take a hike.
You are a tinfoil mad-hatter. Why is there such a large contingent of you in libertarian circles? .
Are you really surprised? You have to be batsh$t crazy to not to realize that we live in a system that took a few thousand years to master to the point where all groups have rights and no group is oppressed by another so one group has all the rights and the other much less or none altogether. It never happened before, did not happen in XIX century, did not happen in XVII, XII, X, II or 500 BC. And now you have people who say, lets just abandon it all just and hope that things will improve for us. It took few thousand years of tweaking to get to where we are today. Why waste it?
To put it in more illustrative terms, you have to batsh$t crazy to look at the highway system with its traffic laws and conclude that the only way to eliminate accidents and traffic jams is by abandoning those traffic laws as without the need to drive on a specific side of the road, the need to use traffic lanes or obey speed limits people would somehow figure out how to drive safely and accident and traffic jams would just disappear.
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