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Old 09-21-2015, 02:02 PM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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Domestically, he has had some success. Internationally, very little success. Establishing diplomatic ties (again) with Cuba is a positive step despite what detractors may say. Syria/Iraq, Libya, and The Ukraine have been absolute disasters. But, to be honest - I don't think a Republican would have done Syria/Iraq, Libya or Yemen any differently as they are firmly ensconced in the same notion of "spreading democracy" (even though it doesn't work with these nations) and being bought-n-paid-for by the military industrial complex.
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:15 PM
 
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"Fair."

Nice try, but try again!

And here's a little help for you...

Fair, adjective, in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.

Stick with the term "fair," as most of us understand the word, and you are pretty well stuck with what you call the "capitation tax," but you also do well to understand such is not possible given the other important considerations. You have more of the same problem from a practical standpoint with the flat tax, but you can't seem to understand this.

A significant part of the problem for many is the notion that "fairness" can be accomplished when it comes to tax policy, beyond the definition provided above.

There is no way to reconcile what we generally consider "fair" with what must be imposed in the way of tax policy from an economic and/or federal budget standpoint.

This is why critical thinking is required, far beyond simple averages or flat percentages...
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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"Fair."

Nice try, but try again!

And here's a little help for you...

Fair, adjective, in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.
How is a flat tax not legitimate? Earn little; pay little. Earn A LOT; pay A LOT.

Again, I'll ask you... which is more... $5,000 or $500,000?
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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The luxury tax.

Is all that different from a VAT, how?

Not that Gates has all the right answers either, but he too fully recognizes from where taxes should be more appropriately collected, all considered, or at least from where not...

Get past the "fairness" hang-ups and misconceptions, and there is simply no way to get around the need to tax progressively from a practical standpoint. Also, you must adhere to the true definition of fairness when it comes to adherence to the rules, in that if the net federal tax rate for a certain group is X%, those in that group should all be held to the same requirement and essentially pay the same net tax rate.

No Romney type exceptions among the most wealthy who can bring their net tax rates down to levels well below the average their income group is intended to pay.
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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"How is a flat tax not legitimate?"

Got a dictionary?

Legitimate, adjective, conforming to the law or to rules.

Tax policy is only "legitimate" once it becomes law. Tax policy only becomes law/legitimate after lawmakers agree as to what will work best -- all considered.

What is key, all considered, is what method of taxation will satisfy the established goals and objectives.

Again, get past the emotion, the rhetoric, the "fairness" hang-ups, and you end up with our progressive tax system!

This is nothing new or even being debated in any serious way, except in silly forums like this one perhaps where wasting time is perfectly acceptable and doable.

The only point(s) of contention are really what changes to our existing tax code are most appropriate, in need of correction, improvement, and easy to do!

From a practical standpoint, what Obama, Trump, Sanders, Buffett and many others strongly advocate is just one of those realistic opportunities for improvement.

Simple as that.
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Punta Gorda, FL
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Obama's successes include being Black and POTUS and having survived.

Having gotten even one bill passed by a Republican Congress.

Enduring being blamed for everything, sometimes with humor.

Roasting the Trumpster - that was huge

Putting up with Hillary when she was SoS

Making Uncle Joe his VP

Failures include.... awww, shucks. I leave that up to the rabid dogs.
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Old 09-21-2015, 02:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The luxury tax.

Is all that different from a VAT, how?
With a VAT tax, EVERYONE pays the same tax rate. And that's what needs to happen in the U.S. if you want national healthcare, etc., that the European countries have.
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Old 09-21-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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This is the number that charlatans use to misrepresent the facts. Your number not only includes the those looking for work, which is the true number, but also includes my 85 year old mother who is now retired; my sons in college, who aren't looking for work; the disabled, who can't work; playboys on yachts, etc.

It's been fact-checked before and found to be a misleading at best and gets a from Politifacts.

In the words of Edward R. Murrow, "have you no shame? Have you no decency?"

Liberal rubbish!

Here is the census dept records for population:

0-14 years: 19.4% (male 31,580,349/female 30,221,106)
15-24 years: 13.7% (male 22,436,057/female 21,321,861)
25-54 years: 39.9% (male 63,452,792/female 63,671,631)
55-64 years: 12.6% (male 19,309,019/female 20,720,284)
65 years and over: 14.5% (male 20,304,644/female 25,874,360) (2014 est.)

We can see that there are about 190 million of working age (your 85 year old grandmother is not included in that number).

Currently, we have 95 million adults of working age not working and 95 million of working age currently working.

These numbers, of course, are disasterous for any president and dismiss the liberal lie that the elderly and children are included in the numbers of unemployed citizens. The same metric, of course, was used for every other president since Reagan. Obama, in the minds of a liberal, can never be evaluated by the same measures as other presidents, because he is black.
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Old 09-21-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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Luxury vs Value Added Tax.

How does the boat industry we just destroyed with the luxury tax do better under VAT?

Can we make it any harder to stay on point?
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Old 09-21-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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95 million adults of working age

Good job on the numbers break down, but equally important is to break down how many of these 95 million adults of working age are actually seeking employment, right?

My wife is of "working age," not seeking employment. I really don't think anyone should blame Obama for that.

Neighbor, also of working age, in a wheelchair on disability. Obama's fault? Should he be expected to "just get a job?"

My son is of "working age," still in school working to get his master's. Is he part of the "disaster" you blame on Obama?

Agreed, rubbish is rubbish no matter who decides to push it for the sake of propaganda, but let's get all the numbers out there and understood before we find ourselves victims of the same propaganda, shall we?

"Working age," is not all we need to consider by any means.

Surely we can do a little better than this as well!
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