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Everyone/Every nation live by certain rules of a country, good or bad. US airforce did not ask him to join. If someone has joined, then that person has joined knowing the rules in the beginning.
I would wonder why he would care. Frankly it has never made sense to my why an atheist has any reservations about swearing to God or objecting to religious depictions such as nativity scenes since they think it is all fantasy.
So if I were an atheist and needed to swear allegiance to what I would consider as real as Mickey Mouse, how does that harm me?
I would wonder why he would care. Frankly it has never made sense to my why an atheist has any reservations about swearing to God or objecting to religious depictions such as nativity scenes since they think it is all fantasy.
So if I were an atheist and needed to swear allegiance to what I would consider as real as Mickey Mouse, how does that harm me?
You should be required to swear on a stack of Comic books!
I would wonder why he would care. Frankly it has never made sense to my why an atheist has any reservations about swearing to God or objecting to religious depictions such as nativity scenes since they think it is all fantasy.
So if I were an atheist and needed to swear allegiance to what I would consider as real as Mickey Mouse, how does that harm me?
Depends on your standards for personal integrity. If your standard is low - it wouldn't harm you.
I would wonder why he would care. Frankly it has never made sense to my why an atheist has any reservations about swearing to God or objecting to religious depictions such as nativity scenes since they think it is all fantasy.
So if I were an atheist and needed to swear allegiance to what I would consider as real as Mickey Mouse, how does that harm me?
Some promises are a pretty big deal. Imagine if you were required to swear on Vishnu's sacred name to be considered married - wouldn't you consider that pretty important promise somewhat cheapened?
Depends on your standards for personal integrity. If your standard is low - it wouldn't harm you.
That does not make any sense. Saying something you don't believe in related to a fictitious belief does not harm you from an atheist perspective. Another words if you believe in God and are told you must renounce your faith, or swear to a different god, I see your point. However if you think the rest of the world is nuts because you know in your belief system there is no supernatural deity, you are not harming anything.
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA
Some promises are a pretty big deal. Imagine if you were required to swear on Vishnu's sacred name to be considered married - wouldn't you consider that pretty important promise somewhat cheapened?
The oath is to profess allegiance to the USAF and swear to uphold the Constitution. Saying "so help me God" afterward shouldn't bother an atheist unless he is trying to make a political statement. Then again many atheist activists are out to try and tear down this countries religious history and symbols, all because they have an agenda to remove any and all religion from our society.
Cry baby who cares... If he does not believe in God the words are worthless anyway. I hate when one person is destroying for everybody else
So I presume you'd have no problem swearing to Vishnu?
I don't take a great many of these types of mandatory oaths seriously...but some people do. Also, what happens when the atheists follow your line of reasoning...and their fellow navy members find out they don't believe in god. They might lose some respect of their peers.
Now...why didn't you think of that already? Are you not thinking about things enough, or are my conclusions incorrect? Now unless you can explain why I'm incorrect, go tell your friends with similar perspectives how wrong you are, because I'm getting tired of repeating things people should already know, as I'm sure many other secular thinkers are. I'll accept that as a form of apology.
The oath is to profess allegiance to the USAF and swear to uphold the Constitution. Saying "so help me God" afterward shouldn't bother an atheist unless he is trying to make a political statement. Then again many atheist activists are out to try and tear down this countries religious history and symbols, all because they have an agenda to remove any and all religion from our society.
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You don't think the person might just be concerned others will assume he or she believes in god because he or she says "so help me god?"
I'm hearing a lot of whining about how much atheists are whining...but not many reasons why it would be advantageous to mandate that everybody say "so help me god."
Does everyone saying "so help me god" boost morale or group cohesion somehow? I don't understand these things, having never been in the military.
Everyone/Every nation live by certain rules of a country, good or bad. US airforce did not ask him to join. If someone has joined, then that person has joined knowing the rules in the beginning.
No "rule" that is inconsistent with the Constitution is permissible and is liable to be chucked out.
If I were him I would fight it, win (which he will) then change branches of service and go join the Army or Navy he will gain rank faster in the Army than either the Air Force or Navy so might be his best bet. Who would want to work for a bunch that forces others to swear to something they do not believe in, ridiculous.
I find it hard to believe that the airforce at the end of 2013, added something like that to be forced on someone. I don't believe that. I'm going to call and check on that tmr. Just because a news source says it, doesn't make it so.
"And a Pentagon official said the issue is settled — and the Air Force is wrong.
"There is no legal requirement to say 'so help me God' in any federal oath or affirmation by a person taking the oath," said the official, who was not authorized to speak on the matter. "Saying 'so help me God' in any federal oath is optional at the discretion of the person taking the oath, not the person administering the oath."
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