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Sure, the graph is clear and what you said is clear.
Sadly, you've chosen to say nothing that is true.
The GOP has NOT been deregulating and reducing taxes. Instead, the GOP has been compromising with Democrats, which is why we are in the shape we're in.
You have never explained how increasing costs of doing business improves business and prosperity.
I want you to show me the math. I want you to show me how I end up with more money in pocket after you take it away from me ,and raise costs of everything I need.
Either do that, or admit you're completely wrong about all of it.
Conservatism is about personal rights and freedom, more than it is about the almighty dollar.
One thing liberals do is take a conservative city or state, where there is freedom, and slowly enact policies and laws to steal money thru taxes, laws, and regulations, until whatever prosperity existed is sucked dry. Just look at once prosperous cities like Detroit, and these blue states where liberals are fleeing in reord numbers, heading like liberal locusts to freer red states.
Also look at where these economic powerhouses are located, they are in giant commerce hubs, whether its river, lake or sea ports, or via railway lines. Location, location, location.
Not at all. Liberals are about freedom, that's why we call relaxing of the laws "liberalization". Conservatives are all about oppression; you can't marry who you want, you can't open your store on Sunday, you can't marry a person of a different race, you can't have an abortion, you can't sneeze without breaking the law. Now, when they are in defense, conservatists play freedom loving Boy Scouts, once they would get back to power the religious right, the decisive power within the party, would make sure that anything that gives people pleasure is illegal and condemned. Nice try, though.
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According to available data liberal states have higher disposable incomes, which is income already adjusted for the cost of living, than conservative states. There are also more Fortune 500 companies headquartered in liberal states than in conservative states It's actually amazing how much better economically are the liberal states (see the table below), despite the old conservative claim of liberals being anti-business.
As a matter of fact all of the developed, rich nations are liberal, being it Germany, the UK, Australia, Canada or France. All of them are very liberal and all of them way to the left of the US Democratic Party. There is NO rich, developed nation in the world that is politically to "the right of the US".
Many of the macroeconomic mechanisms and resulting policies are counterintuitive, they do not make sense to someone who just glanced over economics 101, yet they do work. The proof is however in the statistics: not only the liberal US states beat conservative states economically but also the entire economically developed world runs on liberal economic policies of sustainable development. The key word being sustainable as in
higher taxes are funding education, which allows for development of cutting edge technologies, that in turn allow businesses to remain globally competitive and states economically successful. There is no other way unless you have natural resources like Dakotas or Alaska and even these will eventually be depleted.
Isn't it the time to rethink that conservative "liberals are anti-business" claim as it is utterly absurd given all the evidence to the contrary we have???
Disposable income per capita 2012
District of Columbia $65,233
Connecticut $48,873
Massachusetts $45,960
New Jersey $45,850
Maryland $44,404
New York $43,524
Wyoming $43,194
North Dakota $42,492
New Hampshire $41,472
Alaska $41,420
South Dakota $41,133
Virginia $40,608
Washington $39,960
Conservatives hate workers and want to punish them, and when that happens you get unhappy employees who produce bad products and give poor service. It's common sense really.
I wouldn't scoff, tax foundation is known to be objective.
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Originally Posted by Vejadu
From your link:
"When it comes to choosing a location for company headquarters, it’s not surprising that Fortune 500 CEOs generally stick to areas with a large and firmly established socioeconomic presence.
Take a look:As one might expect, the group of states with the most Fortune 500 companies pretty well mirrors that of the general population, with California (54), New York (52) and Texas (52) completely dominating every other state."
You missed this:
State # of F500 Companies
California 54
New York 52
Texas 52
Illinois 32
Ohio 27
Virginia 23
New Jersey 21
Pennsylvania 21
Minnesota 19
Michigan 19
Connecticut 16
Georgia 16
Florida 15
Massachusetts 12
North Carolina 12
Colorado 10
Wisconsin 10
Missouri 10
Tennessee 9
Washington 8
Arkansas 6
Indiana 6
Arizona 6
Nebraska 5
Kentucky 5
Nevada 4
Oklahoma 4
Maryland 4
DC 3
Rhode Island 3
Kansas 3
Louisiana 3
Delaware 2
Iowa 2
Oregon 2
Idaho 1
Utah 1
South Carolina 1
Alabama 1
Alaska 0
Hawaii 0
Maine 0
You don't see a dominance of blue collar states in Fortune 500 headquarters?
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Originally Posted by Vejadu
Fortune 500 companies tend to be rooted in areas with large populations and well-established infrastructures. Its not about a state being Liberal or Conservative that attracts a huge corporation plants its roots.
No, it's not about being liberal but it's about education and liberal states spend more and get more in terms of quality education. As a result they can provide more highly educated talent than red states and this is what big business desperately needs. Highly educated talent doesn't grow on trees and traditionally you can find more of it around established academic centers.
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Originally Posted by Vejadu
Silicon Valley could easily relocate to Middle America if they chose to. 1/3 of those working in Silicon Valley are immigrants, primarily from China and India. There's no reason these companies couldn't relocate elsewhere other than preconceptions about other parts of the country.
There's actually a pretty robust tech area called the 'Silicon Prairie' that comprises areas in Nebraska, Iowa and South Dakota, where many tech firms in the plains states are located and thriving. Its much smaller because the population is much smaller. There are other tech clusters around the nation in Texas, Illinois, etc too.
But Silicon Valley doesn't seem to be escaping the high taxing California in favor of Idaho or Alabama, does it?
1/3 of working in Silicon Valley maybe immigrants but what about the remaining 2/3? Silicon Valley could relocate to anywhere, yet it started where there was abundance of talent, and is going to stay there.
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Originally Posted by Vejadu
The US pours a TON of money into education -- we spend more than any other developed nation per student on education. The thing is we have drastically different demographics than those older, more developed nations. We're importing poverty from all over the world, we're trying to teach classrooms where half the students don't speak the same language as the other half. We're a unique nation and you can't directly compare the US directly to European nations. A more accurate comparison would be to compare New England or the Midwest to Europe, as it more closely resembles Europe than the US as a whole.
We maybe spending a lot but others are getting more out of it. About percentage of population attaining higher education:
"Tuesday’s report, based on 2009 data, showed the comparable attainment rate has crept up to 41 percent. But in South Korea, which has become the world leader, the rate has reached 63 percent. Canada and Japan rank second and third, respectively, with attainments of about 56 percent.
The United States trails Russia, Ireland, Norway, New Zealand, Australia, Denmark, Israel and Belgium — as well as Luxembourg, the United Kingdom, France and Sweden, which all passed America in the latest ranking."
Were behind Russia, New Zealand and Israel. Do you think it is a good prognostic for our economic future?
And many of those nations have time bombs in their social programs, as plummeting birth rates and other factors are going to put massive strains on those social programs many of those nations rely on.
And that's why many nations offer paid maternity leaves and other incentives to increase birth rates. That's why many European countries support immigration.
Nevertheless, it is a foundation of liberal socio-economic policy to invest in science and education as educated youth is the best guarantor of better economic future. We need highly skilled individuals to advance science, science which advances would produce cutting edge technologies that would allow American companies to stay globally competitive.
On the other hand, conservative ideas with its anti-intellectual undertones are not going to get us there. Ideas like teaching creationism at schools or attempts to cut the funding for NSF. That's economic sabotage.
Are you arguing that this is not true? Do you know of a better conservative policy?
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Not at all. Liberals are about freedom, that's we call relaxing of the laws "liberalization". Conservatives are all about oppression; you can't marry who you want, you can't open your store on Sunday, you can't marry a person of a different race, you can't have an abortion, you can't sneeze without breaking the law. Now, when they are in defense, conservatists play freedom loving Boy Scouts, once they would get back to power the religious right, the decisive power within the party, would make sure anything gives people pleasure us illegal and condemned. Nice try, though.
Yes, the richest counties in the US are driven by government spending.
Like Manhattan a/k/a New York County? Lol
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