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Originally Posted by pknopp
Despite that we are now agreeing that OTC doesn't mean not covered by insurance.
At the present time OTC means not covered by insurance. Can you finally get that?
From your own link:
"We found that even the groups that advocate making the pill available over the counter — like Jessica Arons, president and CEO of the Reproductive Health Technologies Project and Dan Grossman, vice president for research at Ibis Reproductive Health — did not believe it was a cheaper alternative for consumers than requiring insurance companies to cover contraceptives without cost sharing."
At the present time OTC means not covered by insurance. Can you finally get that?
Sorry, posted earlier where OTC drugs are covered by insurance, get up to speed.
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"We found that even the groups that advocate making the pill available over the counter — like Jessica Arons, president and CEO of the Reproductive Health Technologies Project and Dan Grossman, vice president for research at Ibis Reproductive Health — did not believe it was a cheaper alternative for consumers than requiring insurance companies to cover contraceptives without cost sharing."
Never mind they aren't adding in the doctors visit.
If the choice is between the medical community and the government, I'll go with the medical community. Your argument is with the medical community, not me.
The "medical community", of which I am a part, is saying women should use a self-screening tool. The ACOG IS a part of the "medical" community. What part of this do you not understand?
The "medical community", of which I am a part, is saying women should use a self-screening tool. The ACOG IS a part of the "medical" community. What part of this do you not understand?
What I understand is the American Congress of OBGYN's says women are perfectly capable of doing that and using OTC birth control.
several studies have shown that women can self-screen
Seems that the medical community has more faith in women than you do.
What we're seeing here is the end game behind the dumbing down of our education that is supported by many big statists. The assumption that it is unreasonable to expect people to self screen only has merit when you are dealing with an uneducated and functionally illiterate population.
What we're seeing here is the end game behind the dumbing down of our education that is supported by many big statists. The assumption that it is unreasonable to expect people to self screen only has merit when you are dealing with an uneducated and functionally illiterate population.
To be clear, I'm not the one labelling women that way.
Accuracy of Self-Screening for Contraindications to Combined Oral Contraceptive Use Self-screening for contraindications to oral contraceptives using a medical checklist is relatively accurate. Unaided screening is inaccurate and reflects common misperceptions about the safety of oral contraceptives. Over-the-counter provision of this method would likely be safe, especially for younger women and if independent blood pressure screening were encouraged.
If you read the footnotes of the ACOG statement, they refer to screening questionnaires as "self-screening". That means: screening the woman does herself using a "medical checklist".
FROM THE LINK! Grossman D, Fernandez L, Hopkins K, Amastae J, Garcia SG, Potter JE. Accuracy of self-screening for contraindications to combined oral contraceptive use. Obstet Gynecol 2008;112:572–8. [PubMed] [Obstetrics & Gynecology] ⇦ Doshi JS, French RS, Evans HE, Wilkinson CL. Feasibility of a self-completed history questionnaire in women requesting repeat combined hormonal contraception. J Fam Plann Reprod Health Care 2008;34:51–4. [PubMed] [Full Text] ⇦
Is it your point that women don't have the smarts to do self-screening ? Don't have access to a medical checklist ? Will not consult with a doctor before using bc ?
The insurance vs. not insured is a clear issue. Your fixation on self-screening is not.
Is it your point that women don't have the smarts to do self-screening ? Don't have access to a medical checklist ? Will not consult with a doctor before using bc ?
The insurance vs. not insured is a clear issue. Your fixation on self-screening is not.
No. My point is that the ACOG is NOT recommending you be able to buy BCP like condoms, or bubble gum. My point is they're recommending selling them w/o a prescription but WITH the screening. Yikes! How many posts did that take.
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