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Old 09-10-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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...not the often rumored but seldom seen more secular moderate muslim rebels...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/wo...agewanted=all&

...I'm start to thing those rumored more secular moderate muslim rebels are like Big Foot.
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Old 09-11-2014, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Yes, unfortunately that is true. Most secularists have remained with, or reluctantly thrown in with, Assad. I wish Obama would swallow his pride and do the same.

I also had some initial degree of hope for the Arab Spring, but I was wrong.
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Old 09-11-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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The article is 2 years old. It pretty much outlines how we got to where we are today, except SA and Qatar didn't think that the rebels they were arming then would become the threat they are today, being IS, to their own country.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:20 AM
 
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American people already knew this, the US government should have asked us.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Yes, unfortunately that is true. Most secularists have remained with, or reluctantly thrown in with, Assad. I wish Obama would swallow his pride and do the same.

I also had some initial degree of hope for the Arab Spring, but I was wrong.
When the people don't have freedom of speech and guns for protection how was it ever going to work.

The same goes for Iraq, people have to have known freedom first, to know what to fight for.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Gone
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When the people don't have freedom of speech and guns for protection how was it ever going to work.

The same goes for Iraq, people have to have known freedom first, to know what to fight for.
The founders had not known Freedom before fighting for it, me thinks you should rethink your thoughts on that.
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Old 09-11-2014, 01:24 PM
 
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The founders had not known Freedom before fighting for it, me thinks you should rethink your thoughts on that.
The founders were born fighters and had guns......these people have been kept down, they have never tasted freedom. Iraq was on the winning side until one PARTY thought otherwise. Even if Bush set a date (which he didn't) Obama is President and could have changed it.

Sure capturing Chemical Weapon plants is not our issue.
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Old 09-11-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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The founders were born fighters and had guns......these people have been kept down, they have never tasted freedom. Iraq was on the winning side until one PARTY thought otherwise. Even if Bush set a date (which he didn't) Obama is President and could have changed it.
Excuse me, Bush and Maliki set a date on December 14, 2008. The date set was December 31, 2011. This was not a provisional or casual statement, it was a negotiated, ratified and signed international agreement.

Yes, I suppose Obama could've abrogated our agreement and driven Maliki further into the arms of Iran, but civilized countries wishing to retain a scrap of credibility don't behave like that. Had he done something that outrageous, there would've been across the board demands to defund the whole shebang.

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Old 09-12-2014, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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...not the often rumored but seldom seen more secular moderate muslim rebels...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/wo...agewanted=all&

...I'm start to thing those rumored more secular moderate muslim rebels are like Big Foot.
Well, hopefully the weapons suppliers made some money off of it.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

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Old 09-12-2014, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISIS are driving Abram's tanks and and have an arsenal of US weapons. They want us to believe that 1000 lightly armed ISIS fighters routed 30,000 Iraqi soldiers? Does that add up in your heads?

How did 800 ISIS fighters rout 2 Iraqi divisions? | Military Times | militarytimes.com

Now, the Prez is going to double down and arm another ghost army, who will ultimately hand all our heavy weapons over to ISIS as well.


This is insanity on display!

...or was that the actual intention all along?
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