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Old 09-18-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713 View Post
So, it is down to George Soros vs the Koch brothers for control of the Republic.

What do you all think of that?
What do I think of that? Why do you allow them to buy your vote? How much are you getting for yours?
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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What do I think of that? Why do you allow them to buy your vote? How much are you getting for yours?
They can only buy votes if someone is offering to sell theirs.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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The founding fathers were a plutocracy.... That's why they set up a Federal Republic with "representatives" and not a democracy. They didn't entrust the future to the unwashed masses.
But the founding fathers were brainwashed by Fox News and bought by the Koch brothers.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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They could be a little more subtle in their approach.

Party line vote... Details here.
Should unions or environmental groups be allowed to give to politicians, buy ad space or meet with politicians?
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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They can only buy votes if someone is offering to sell theirs.
Yes, it seems odd that people want the government to create laws to do what they refuse to do or are unable it seems to do for themselves.
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Old 09-18-2014, 07:02 PM
 
Location: west mich
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The ACLU and NARAL were part of the groups that brought the lawsuit that resulted in Citizen United. You seem to continue to ignore this. Is there a reason why?
Again you are short on data - like Faux News just pull something out of your behind, throw it at the wall to see if it sticks.
A) so what?
B) What were the "other groups" involved?

Here's what really "resulted" in Citizens United - it was a fascist and extremist SCOTUS of robed republican activists, the same guys who front Koch Brothers fundraisers.
Jeez, you can't even come close to manipulating events as "skillfully" as Fox News. Maybe it's time to turn in your Faux merit badge.

Here are some real facts for you:
With

Excerpts:
"By going to the next extreme when it comes to questions of money in politics, the justices who make up the court's activist majority have opted for full-on plutocracy—and it is unimaginable that this week's ruling will be the last assault by the justices who make up that majority upon the underpinnings of democracy."

“What world are the five conservative Supreme Court justices living in?” asked US Senator Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont. “To equate the ability of billionaires to buy elections with ‘freedom of speech’ is totally absurd. The Supreme Court is paving the way toward an oligarchic form of society in which a handful of billionaires like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson will control our political process.”

Want more? So these "impartial" justices, who shun democratic gatherings, are brazenly in solid with activist RW republican billionaires.
What Role Have Scalia And Thomas Played In The Koch Money Machine? | ThinkProgress

Excerpt: "Scalia and Thomas’ participation in these fundraising gatherings also call into question whether they can be impartial in any number of cases brought by Koch-aligned groups seeking immunity to the law. Most significantly, the Koch brothers have contributed significantly to efforts to stop the ACA from going into effect, and a number of attendees at the Koch’s secret meetings include health industry moguls with a direct financial stake in the litigation challenging health reform (Justice Thomas’ wife, of course, actively lobbied against the ACA."

Justices Thomas and Scalia Violate Judicial Ethics By Headlining Right Wing Fundraisers
Excerpt: "For three years, at least, there have been nagging questions about Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia’s close ties to right-wing organizations and their funding mechanism the Koch Brothers, but without a rigorous code of ethics in place there was little chance they would be held to account for, or forced to stop, using their positions on the Court to promote the Koch brothers’ right-wing agenda."

Jeez, and there is so much more out there that it is impossible to post - but one can easily find out more. So these "justices" are willing to support extremist RW fundraising, can't really be held accountable, and they apparently know it.
Yep, those lifetime appointments...
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Old 09-18-2014, 09:13 PM
 
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Again you are short on data - like Faux News just pull something out of your behind, throw it at the wall to see if it sticks.
A) so what?
B) What were the "other groups" involved?
The other groups were a wide ranging group. From the group that initially had their free speech rights attacked to the NRA to the labor unions.

The rest of your post was a simple cut and paste Koch, Koch, Koch, Koch.

Its not working. Citizen United was brought not by any corporation. Not by the Koch brothers but rather a group of very dissimilar groups trying to protect their free speech rights.

Not a corporation but the ACLU. Not the Koch brothers but rather labor unions.
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Old 09-19-2014, 11:51 AM
 
Location: west mich
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The other groups were a wide ranging group. From the group that initially had their free speech rights attacked to the NRA to the labor unions.

The rest of your post was a simple cut and paste Koch, Koch, Koch, Koch.

Its not working. Citizen United was brought not by any corporation. Not by the Koch brothers but rather a group of very dissimilar groups trying to protect their free speech rights.

Not a corporation but the ACLU. Not the Koch brothers but rather labor unions.
Reading comprehension? As evil and pampered as these inheritance babies are, where did I say it was the Koch brothers? Nope, it is your activist SCOTUS appointees, carrying water for the Kochs and their ilk, who have the responsibility.

Since your task seems to be jerking people around and this is an open forum, I'll post this:
What's Next for Campaign Finance Reform?*|*Meredith McGehee

Thanks to fascist repubs, a super majority vote failed in Congress. A couple of excerpts really illustrate what you and your congressional heroes are all about.

** "Now it is time to harness that energy for some shorter-term battles that are worth fighting even though we have five Supreme Court Justices who have taken the position that the selling of access and influence by American lawmakers is not a problem."

** "There are opportunities before Congress, the Federal Election Commission (FEC), Internal Revenue Service (IRS), Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to push for meaningful reforms to increase transparency in our political process."

Ah, the hated "transparency" - does this not point up the deceitful and hypocritical posturing by RW trolls, pundits, and even phony representatives, who claim that transparency is exactly what they desire? Seems to be just more baldfaced lies from your heroes.
And in case someone has not followed the story, here is what happened in the Senate:
Senate blocks campaign finance amendment - POLITICO.com

From the hated Harry Reid: “Senate Democrats want a government that works for all Americans — not just the richest few."

So there we have the real point of contention, don't we? Part of the great "liberal-conservative divide" and ideological economic-class allegiances in politics today.
There it is - government-for-sale by in-the-pocket extremist republicons, and your desperate twisting and flailing about for anything which might stick indicates that you are just not earning your keep - seriously.

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Old 09-19-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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They can only buy votes if someone is offering to sell theirs.
All Politicians are for sale, or didn't you realize that, it is how they get elected and stay in office
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Old 09-19-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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LOL...I know. Yet a lot of the unwashed masses now think that we were ever given any real power. They don't realize the "vote" is just a feel-good thing so that we feel included.
I was just about to jump all over you and then saw that you actually see the problem as it truly is. Sad once one learns that fact, like waking up from the Matrix and you see the world as it truly is. Unfortunately one cannot simply ignore it and go back to sleep once they are exposed to the truth.
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