Bill Maher on the difference between Islam and Christianity. (solutions, dictators, terrorism)

[CrownVic95]

Originally Posted by momonkey

Statism unites the hippie with the jihadist.

It's all about the role of the state and personal freedom.

The state over the individual is what makes liberals and Muslims strange bedfellows.

I think it's more like US conservatives condemn Muslims and, for the left, it's the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by momonkey

The state over the individual is what makes liberals and Muslims strange bedfellows.

And having the state enforce religious views is what makes conservatives and Muslims strange bedfellows.

[wildflower82]

Originally Posted by steven_h

no


Let the first man that can claim he is free from sin cast this stone.

THE TWELVE APOSTLES:

• Andrew - crucified
• Bartholomew - beaten then crucified
• James, son of Alphaeus - stoned to death
• James, son of Zebedee - beheaded
• John - exiled for his faith; died of old age
• Judas (not Iscariot) - stoned to death
• Matthew - speared to death
• Peter - crucifed upside down
• Philip - crucified
• Simon - crucified
• Thomas - speared to death
• Matthias - stoned to death

(source: Fox's Book of Martyrs)


You confuse the book of the Jews with the book of Christianity.


Let's put it this way; Westboro Baptist is an abomination to the religion. This is how most Christians view them.

Nice job, bet most non-believers thought these people were raptured. Wonder if any of them know how Nero treated the people.

Nero
He was the 5th emperor of Rome, and ruled A.D. 54-68. Although he is not mentioned by name in the Bible, he did reign during the events of the Apostles that are chronicled in the Book of Acts.
Nero was into the arts, (painting, sculpture, poetry) and even appeared on stage.
The Christian community was made the scapegoats for the fire, and many of them lost their lives. It is possible the apostles, Peter and Paul were among them.


Westboro is too small to even consider them a problem, yet people bring them up, along with the Crusades.

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by jojajn

Isn't the bible full of stonings as part of the biblical law?

Christians are not under the law.

[mwruckman]

Originally Posted by momonkey

Christians are not under the law.

Some Christians seem to believe that you can ignore GOD's LAW but will still get a free pass to paradise from Jesus.

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

And having the state enforce religious views is what makes conservatives and Muslims strange bedfellows.

Religious views often intersect common decency and respect for one's fellow human.

That doesn't mean common decency and respect for one's fellow human get tossed out the window because you don't like religion.

The Abolition Movement was based on religious views of Quakers and Puritans.

Should they have kept their "religious views" to themselves?

Was the state wrong to enforce their anti-slavery religious views?

Does that make them strange bedfellows with Muslims?

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by momonkey

Religious views often intersect common decency and respect for one's fellow human.

That doesn't mean common decency and respect for one's fellow human get tossed out the window because you don't like religion.

The Abolition Movement was based on religious views of Quakers and Puritans.

Should they have kept their "religious views" to themselves?

Was the state wrong to enforce their anti-slavery religious views?

Does that make them strange bedfellows with Muslims?

I consider myself a socially conservative, but the point of my post was to show that you can claim anyone to be a "strange bedfellow" with Muslims.

[steven_h]

Originally Posted by steven_h
See, this is the ignorance of Old Testament vs. New. You see the bible as a single document, where Christians see it as two.

Jesus was a pacifist and preached peace, not violence. Turn the other cheek, revenge is Gods...etc.

The religion is the most peaceful, it is man that you should blame. Human nature is what turns an otherwise loving religion into a hateful ideology.

BTW, name a Christian violation of human rights in the last 500 years. Many more people have been murdered because of Islamic ideologies over the last millennia than by Christians.

Originally Posted by CoolZombie

Why restrict it to a certain time frame? The Bible hasn't been at all edited from what it was 500 years ago, the same violent propaganda for ignorant sheep it was back then. Your logic should apply to Islam if you believe only human nature turns religion into an evil thing. You Christbots have no leg to stand on, its pathetic how you continue to argue your fictional invisible man is better than the other guy's fictional invisible man like 4 year olds arguing their dad can beat up another kid's dad

To try and reason with such a machine gun rant and an obvious hate would be pointless.

Christbot? That must have taken most of your brain cells to come up with. What a shame.

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by katygirl68

I've often jokingly made the same argument, that Islam is 600 years behind us, but the reality is that 600 years ago when the Christians were committing these atrocities, people still didn't know that drinking out of the same cup as the rest of the town could spread disease, or that if a midwife washed her hands before helping a woman give birth it could help prevent infection, or any number of things we take for granted today. Even in the third world they know a lot of this stuff now, though they don't always have the means to do much about it.

Actually we did, we knew a lot of those things prior to when we "rediscovered" them. The Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians had significantly better medical care in the 1st Century than Europe did in the 12th Century. However because of a period known as the "Dark Ages" much of that knowledge was lost, and much of what wasn't lost was suppressed as blasphemy and witchcraft by the Church. Sound familiar...?

Marcus Terentius Varro wrote in the 1st Century BC book "On Agriculture"
"and because there are bred certain minute creatures that cannot be seen by the eyes, which float in the air and enter the body through the mouth and nose and they cause serious diseases."

While it's broad and naive, it's pretty much spot on, Ayurveda has been stating that microbial pathogens were the reason for certain illnesses the earliest descriptions being in the Charaka texts of 300BC.

Indeed even today we're rediscovering treatments that were used at or before that time, the use of maggots to debride wounds is one example.

Willowbark tea (and salicylates) on Egyptian Medical Papyrii date from 1500BC and are suspected to be copies of earlier texts. Hippocrates mentioned it in Materia Medica (5th Century BC). Celcus 30AD is well known to have recommended willow leaf extract for the four signs of inflammation (heat, redness, swelling and pain), now consider that for one moment, not only did he recommend it, but he recognized what we currently know are the signs of inflammation and they were caused by a common factor. What's kind of hilarious (in a sad way) is that in 1763 Edward Stone wrote to the Royal Society about the "dramatic power of Willow bark to cure ague" ague being Malaria, and it didn't cure it, it just controlled the symptoms which Hippocrates was using it for [the symptoms] 2200 years prior.

However, by around 1200AD people didn't even know that lack of cleanliness was a cause of infection... Again...!

Originally Posted by katygirl68

Even if your argument is true and they need time to reach their enlightenment, then why do they seem to be going backwards? Look at the women in these photographs from Cairo University in 1959, 1978, 1995, and 2004. There is clearly a regression going on here. If the Muslim Brotherhood had stayed in power, eventually there would be no women in graduating classes at all.

So did Christianity, the Western world went from building in smoothed granite, marble, and concrete (the Colosseum for example) to sticks and mud and relatively rough hewn stone. We went from bathing regularly (every couple of days) to as they said about Elizabeth I taking a bath a year, whether she needed it or not. The entire Dark ages was a regression, and while there were climatic economic and political causes, there was a lot of religious causes too.

[SHABAZZ310]

Originally Posted by texdav

Maher is just another fail comedian. Socialist in political belief.

Tell that to his bank account and HBO.