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Oh, give me a break! Proud to be a Marxist/socialist? Didn't we fight a war to defeat people pushing that ideology?
Why don't we just tear up the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, because it means nothing to "Progressives." "Progressivism" is a lie that tries to establish some kind of utopian society which is at odds with human nature, and for that reason can never and will never work. It is an oppressive ideology that robs people of Liberty and Freedom.
I don't think you have a clue what "Progressivism" is. It has nothing to do with progress. It is going backward.
You need to read "The Road to Serfdom," by F. A. Hayek. That is the road that you so-called "progressives" have put us on.
That's the vibe you want it to give off, you continue to tell lies like this because it's what you are desperate for other people to believe. You, like many others are desperate to continue the lie that the GOP is 100% old white men who are inherently evil... well because they're old white men and according to people like you old white men have to be evil.
Seriously, it's pathetic. The only people who believe your lies believed them long before you told them and they already support your agendas so save your breath.
republicans aren't evil just very selfish and short sided in their thinking :-)
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest
A few high points:
Teddy championed the income tax and an interventionalist foreign policy
Franklin dragged us into WWII and saddled americans with a host of socialist programs that we are still stuck with to this day.
So much to be proud of *cough cough*
no the Japanese bombing us, the interception of communication from Mexico also helped war with the urging of Mexico to go to war with us.
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Originally Posted by kidkaos2
No, that isn't the vibe my party gives off. That's the lies that the left tells about my party. There is absolutely nothing said or done by my party that is racist or misogynist. There's just a load of liberals making accusations that my party is racist and misogynist.
You spoke about intelligent people in your post. Intelligent people wanting to know what somebody stands for ask that person. They don't listen to that person's opponents to find out what that person stands for.
Liberals don't disgust me because of what Rush Limbaugh has to say about liberals. Liberals disgust me because of what liberals themselves say. Sean Hannity doesn't tell me that liberals are incompetent at running an economy. Liberals trying and failing the New Deal during the Depression and then liberals trying again and failing again with the stimulus show me by example that liberals are economically illiterate. Michelle Malkin doesn't tell me that liberals are incompetent at education. The shift from 50/50 Republicans and Democrats in education when America had the top education system in the world to now where the system is 80/20 Democrats while the nation spends more money than any other nation in the industrialized world on education while getting middling results tells me that. Democrats saying we need to "invest" even more into education while one of their biggest contributors is the public sector teacher's union is what tells me that liberals are incompetent at education.
There's a big difference between being a racist or a misogynist and having someone attribute racism and misogyny to you. The whole war on women thing is a huge example. What was the actual Republican position in that? That women should pay a copay on their birth control just like people do on every other medication. That is hardly a "war on women". That was not the Republicans giving off a misogynistic vibe. That was Democrats using misrepresentation and identity politics.
Not really. Hypocrisy exists on the right, but it typifies the left. There are issues over which the right is hypocritical. If there is even a single issue where the left isn't hypocritical, I have yet to see it. So there's a difference.
If you are conservative or liberal and don't stick to that ideology then you aren't conservative or liberal. Intelligent people don't use both sides. People without principles use both sides. People with principles pick the side that best supports those principles and stick to it.
That's not getting something straight. That's you doing precisely what I accused liberals of doing. Segregation was not a "conservative" idea. Conservatism is about balanced budgets, limited government, and adhering to the constitution. It has absolutely nothing to do with segregation. So here is an example of you proving my point: attributing something to conservatives that actual conservatives do not believe.
You just concluded your post disagreeing with me by doing exactly what I said in the first place.
how about the elimination of a woman's choice to have an abortion? How about that rather wealthy donor to the republican party telling women to put an aspirin between their legs for birth control? What about "consensual rape" it how women's bodies have a way of rejecting the rapists sperm? How about the many comments on here alone about mooshelle? Yep I don't see anything misogynistic their no sir! Balanced budget? I'd that what gwb faves us? How about his father? Or st Reagan?
Oh, give me a break! Proud to be a Marxist/socialist? Didn't we fight a war to defeat people pushing that ideology?
Why don't we just tear up the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, because it means nothing to "Progressives." "Progressivism" is a lie that tries to establish some kind of utopian society which is at odds with human nature, and for that reason can never and will never work. It is an oppressive ideology that robs people of Liberty and Freedom.
I don't think you have a clue what "Progressivism" is. It has nothing to do with progress. It is going backward.
You need to read "The Road to Serfdom," by F. A. Hayek. That is the road that you so-called "progressives" have put us on.
I don't think you know what your talking about, stop reading ann coulter and fishing at the mouth when Hannity comes on perhaps you might come back to reality.
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Originally Posted by alphamale
ken burns could do a documentary that makes hitler look good, if so inclined.
Why? What about state sponsored theft would make you proud?
The redistributionists don't see it as theft, because they think that those who are rich have gotten their wealth by exploiting others, or through illegal means. (Which makes me wonder what they think of the many wealthy in their own camp?)
"Progressives" seek to make everyone equal. It's an old idea that has been tried over and over again throughout the history of man and governments. It has always failed, usually ending in war.
Making all people and all things equal sounds like a good idea until you realize that in order for it to work (and it doesn't really work) you must give up your individualism, your Liberty. You must become subservient to the elites, the so-called "experts" in high places, who will determine the needs of not only the nation, but of individuals.
But the know nothings, excuse me, "experts," have no way of responding adequately to changing needs of an economy in the way a free market capitalist system does, which automatically adjusts to real world situations, because the market is what determines needs. And the "experts" have no regard for your individual needs at all. Just look what's happening in medicine and medical care already, under Obamacare:
Yup fun to watch. Also been Reading Doris Kearns Goodwin book on Teddy and Taft "The Bully Pulpit". At one time The GOP was fighting to be Progressive.Then they were bought by a few Millionaires. Wow that sounds like history repeating.
Absolutely. I've said for years that we need another Teddy. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are as close as we have seen in a long time. I'm itching for them to run for the White House.
Oh, please [choke, cough, barf!] Elizabeth "you didn't build that" Warren? The phony "Cherokee," without a speck of Cherokee blood, and no lineage to prove any such heritage, who used this lie to exploit the system, to receive favored status to get into school, and to be granted preferential status in other pursuits as well. She is a complete fraud.
Why is it that Leftists always seem to embrace the liars, the cheats, and the frauds?
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Originally Posted by cuebald
T.R. was the last real Capital-"R" Republican. There are no more genuine conservatives in the GOP. What a sad bunch the Neopubs are in comparison to the giants they had at one time.
Baloney! He was the founder of the Progressive Movement, which is antithetical to Republican ideology. It was the "Progressives" that created the idea of a "Living Constitution" in order for them to interpret it's meaning in a way that advanced their "progressive" agenda. It has served to render the Constitution nearly meaningless, which allows people like Barack Obama to ignore it.
Haven't seen it yet, it sounds like Ken Burns ignores the negatives?
You advocate not being an interventionist on these boards, and yet Teddy was king of the interventionists. It seems like you are being a bit hypocritical or at least blind to something you supposedly care about.
Teddy:
-Prior to being president he illegally gave an order to attack the Spanish in the Philippines.
-He supported US colonization of the Philippines and the Philippine-American War.
-He supported killing thousands of Philippine people to increase US trade to China.
-Claimed that the war with the Philippines was civilizing them and therefore justified killing thousands of them.
-Advocated aggressive expansion in the Pacific and possible war with Japan if necessary to gain islands in the middle of the Pacific.
-At one point wanted to join WWI, but didn't care which side we joined, as long as we got involved in the war.
-Started a revolution in Columbia so he could build the Panama Canal.
-Said that the US can inspect the books, tax revenues, spending, etc of Latin American countries and force changes in policies on them against their will.
-Built the Great White Fleet and then sailed it around the world to intimidate other countries - including Japan.
FDR:
-interned West Coast Japanese Americans in WWII.
-interned some German and Italian Americans in WWII.
-Forced Latin American Countries to hand over thousands of German and Italian immigrants for internment, despite having ZERO specific evidence against them.
-Had several anti-Semites in his cabinet, no wonder his wife said he did little to help Jews in Europe.
-Threatened to pack the supreme court to avoid the checks and balances of the US Constitution and lied about his reasoning..."they were behind on their docket."
Haven't seen it yet, it sounds like Ken Burns ignores the negatives?
You advocate not being an interventionist on these boards, and yet Teddy was king of the interventionists. It seems like you are being a bit hypocritical or at least blind to something you supposedly care about.
Teddy:
-Prior to being president he illegally gave an order to attack the Spanish in the Philippines.
-He supported US colonization of the Philippines and the Philippine-American War.
-He supported killing thousands of Philippine people to increase US trade to China.
-Claimed that the war with the Philippines was civilizing them and therefore justified killing thousands of them.
-Advocated aggressive expansion in the Pacific and possible war with Japan if necessary to gain islands in the middle of the Pacific.
-At one point wanted to join WWI, but didn't care which side we joined, as long as we got involved in the war.
-Started a revolution in Columbia so he could build the Panama Canal.
-Said that the US can inspect the books, tax revenues, spending, etc of Latin American countries and force changes in policies on them against their will.
-Built the Great White Fleet and then sailed it around the world to intimidate other countries - including Japan.
FDR:
-interned West Coast Japanese Americans in WWII.
-interned some German and Italian Americans in WWII.
-Forced Latin American Countries to hand over thousands of German and Italian immigrants for internment, despite having ZERO specific evidence against them.
-Had several anti-Semites in his cabinet, no wonder his wife said he did little to help Jews in Europe.
-Threatened to pack the supreme court to avoid the checks and balances of the US Constitution and lied about his reasoning..."they were behind on their docket."
Yup you havent been watching, Burns has hit those so far for TR. FDR and Eleanor Will be coming up tonight till Saturday. Eleanor and the last of the Family look to be covered on Saturday as it ends in 1962 (her death)
Yup you havent been watching, Burns has hit those so far for TR. FDR and Eleanor Will be coming up tonight till Saturday. Eleanor and the last of the Family look to be covered on Saturday as it ends in 1962 (her death)
Wow, I didn't expect DesertDetroiter to throw away his entire posting history of being staunchly anti-interventionist/imperialist and be proud of our biggest imperialists.
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