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Old 09-18-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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That's odd because most anti-gun fools here in the US claim that citizens with weapons could never and would never do any good at defending the country while gun owners like myself disagree.
Swiss Army reservists are under military discipline and come with training, organization and a government-issued mobilization & action plan. That's what makes them an effective, coherent force. In other words, 100 random gun owners do not constitute a rifle company.

The Swiss tradition for shooting is centuries old and it's still considered a sign of a well-rounded man that he can hold his own as regards marksmanship. But nobody open-carries loaded weapons, because that would just be - not done. Doing so would mark you as not quite right in the head. (Also, it's illegal. But the Swiss social norms tend to work stronger than most actual laws.)
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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Nope. They were textbook mass shootings. Angry loner mad at the world because of all his personal failures.
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Mob killings. Probably Russian Mafia.
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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(Has anyone ever noticed that when the Swiss talk about their rifle culture, it's always about defending "us", "our country", "our cities"? Whereas the US gun fans tend to talk about "me", "my property", "my cache of supplies"? The Swiss prepare to rally to take up arms in defense of their country. The USers talk about good bug-out places to ride it out when the SHTF.)
Maybe that's because YOU and YOUR culture are the ones trying to ban guns and steal them from law abiding citizens. America has always had a "gun culture" you people are the ones trying to change OUR culture. If YOU didn't spend so much time trying to divide the country maybe there would be more "we" and "us".
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Old 09-18-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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England's culture is different? Have you ever been there? There less difference between England and the US than between LA and San Francisco.
Apparently, you've never been there.

Also, ask an Englishmen living in the US if guns are more popular in England or the US.

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It is sufficient that they don't get guns in any quantity and have a murder rate a fraction of ours.
Due to cultural differences, their thugs aren't into guns as much as our thugs.

The point is that if they wanted guns, they could get them. Do you disagree with this? If so, what is your logic?
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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We elect our government to place limits on society for the benefit of society.

The data are overwhelming, few guns = few gun deaths.

BTW your video is not from Washington DC. Swing and a miss.
Seriously?

Until recently handguns were banned in DC, and it was the Murder Capital of the US. Currently, Chicago holds the title of Murder Capital of the US, where firearms are heavily restricted. Whereas in Alaska, which has the highest number of firearms per capita in the US, has a murder rate of 4.1 per 100,000 - below the national average.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:26 PM
 
Location: DC
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Seriously?

Until recently handguns were banned in DC, and it was the Murder Capital of the US. Currently, Chicago holds the title of Murder Capital of the US, where firearms are heavily restricted. Whereas in Alaska, which has the highest number of firearms per capita in the US, has a murder rate of 4.1 per 100,000 - below the national average.
And the murder rate would be even higher in Chicago without those restrictive laws.

How is the gun suicide rate in Alaska?
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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And the murder rate would be even higher in Chicago without those restrictive laws.

How is the gun suicide rate in Alaska?
Well the laws in Chicago have changed in the last year allowing people to conceal carry and crime is going down. Imagine that.

Suicide rate in Alaska I'm sure has nothing to do with the lack of sun light during the winter, nothing to do but drink and be stupid.

It is weird, the states with the most guns per capita are the states with the lowest crime/murder rates. For an even more telling picture, compare crime rate by county to guns owned per capita per county.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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5) even with these very sensible regulations, Switzerland's gun homicide rate is higher than neighboring countries
Certainly not higher than France.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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And the murder rate would be even higher in Chicago without those restrictive laws.

How is the gun suicide rate in Alaska?
The murder rate in Chicago is higher as a direct result of those restrictive and unconstitutional gun laws.

Alaska has no firearm restrictions. Alaska acknowledges the individual right to bear arms, and allows both open and conceal carry without restrictions or permits. We even have private citizens that own 105mm Howitzer artillery pieces and 88mm mortars, as well as combat aircraft and military tanks. There is no firearm that cannot be owned by private citizens in Alaska.
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Old 09-18-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: DC
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Well the laws in Chicago have changed in the last year allowing people to conceal carry and crime is going down. Imagine that.

Suicide rate in Alaska I'm sure has nothing to do with the lack of sun light during the winter, nothing to do but drink and be stupid.

It is weird, the states with the most guns per capita are the states with the lowest crime/murder rates. For an even more telling picture, compare crime rate by county to guns owned per capita per county.
Crime has been declining in Chicago for 20 years Sparky.

Suicide in Alaska and all gun heavy states is aided by the fact that gun suicides are almost always successful. The states with few guns have much lower total suicide rates.

Compare gun crime in the US to the UK.
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