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Old 09-21-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by Dooleys1300 View Post
Funny, I never applied for food stamps or welfare when I made minimum wage.
By your theory, I should have died destitute and starving in the streets a long time ago.
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Originally Posted by Opin_Yunated View Post
....but you could have (and should have)

You want other people to suffer for your misguided sense of glory?
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Why would you think I should have applied for welfare and food stamps and steal from those who's taxes pay for those things when I had the means to support myself?

What would I have gained from this?

A little bit fuller belly? A slightly bigger apartment?

Mabey.

But I would have lost something much more valuable than either of those.

My pride and my intestinal fortitude to succeed on my own.

Being dependant on others for your survival is no way to go through life.

No answer as to why you think people who are working and supporting themselves should take welfare and food stamps just because they can?

Gee, why does that not suprise me?
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Old 09-27-2014, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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That doesn't even make sense.
It does make sense, In order for the government to give to someone, they have to take from someone else. Get it?
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Old 09-27-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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Jobs are not about incentives, they are about providing means to survive.



Nope. Judging by the European experience where even burger flippers are paid decent wages and yet society is more educated than ours.
And you see how their economy is doing.
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Old 09-27-2014, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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No answer as to why you think people who are working and supporting themselves should take welfare and food stamps just because they can?

Gee, why does that not suprise me?
He/she thinks the government is here to take care of them.
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Old 09-27-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I disagree. An employer has a job opening of which he has already calculated what he can afford to pay for the work required based on expected return. Risk / reward. An employee establishes the value of his labor by accepting or rejecting the terms of payment.
In any geographic location, a given position will have a certain wage scale which is largely determined by market forces.
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Old 09-27-2014, 01:22 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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My only argument is for minimum wage to be the minimum amount needed for subsistence without taxpayer subsidy. We have economists to figure out the numbers as to what it would be.

My gut feeling as of now leans to $12-$14 / hour or so currently, but like I said an economist could figure that out better than me.
There is no "taxpayer subsidy." That is term that is made-up by liberals as a means of legitimizing their argument.

Using their "logic," one could argue that the taxpayers subsidize just about anything.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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Jobs are not about incentives, they are about providing means to survive.
No, they are not. Jobs are an offer to trade... someone offers you money for your time and efforts. If you don't wish to make the trade, don't.



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Nope. Judging by the European experience where even burger flippers are paid decent wages and yet society is more educated than ours.
And about to collapse into bankruptcy, as well.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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Unbelievable. Conservatism is also a mental disorder.
What gives you the right to interfere in someone else's business?
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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Just happened. A girl I know was complaining about being 6 mo's late on her credit card bills and they are harassing her. She also got a notice that they are going to shut off her water. I needed some work done so I hired her. When I paid her she said, she was going pay the water bill but then she said she was gong to get these new curtains she's been wanting. Yea, what is it? $30 wasted on late fee's yet she is going shopping.
It's a liberal world of instant gratification.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:57 PM
 
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Conservatives are also naive enough to believe business will not take advantage of them so there is no need for any labor laws it seems.
Liberals are just arrogant, who believe THEY are smart enough to deserve to control all those people who they are too stupid to control themselves.
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